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Update the names of some of the Japanese-exclusive items[edit]

There are 110 items from Doubutsu no Mori, Doubutsu no Mori+, and Doubutsu no Mori e+ that do not have official translations since they do not appear in Animal Crossing (see Category:Items with no English localization). Nookipedia and the ACGC Spreadsheet are currently using the most literal possible translations. However, Chubby Bub and I were reviewing some of the original community translation choices in the spreadsheets server, and we feel that it would make sense to tweak some of these literal translations into alternate but equally valid translations that reflect the item's localized name in later game entries.

The items in Category:Items with no English localization can be generalized into 4 groups:

The item reappears in a later game entry. Its translation on Nookipedia is different from a later game entry. (46 items)
The item reappears in a later game entry. Its translation on Nookipedia is already identical to its name in a later game entry. (31 items)
The item does not reappear in a later game entry. (27 items)
The item does not exactly fit in the previous 3 groups due to major changes with the Japanese name/design in later game entries. (6 items)

For this discussion, only group 1 will be addressed. Group 2 does not need to be addressed. Groups 3 and 4 may be worth reviewing at a later date, but they will not be reviewed right now. (See the next section for a list of items that will not be addressed in this discussion.) Below are the 46 items that could have their names updated. Chubby Bub is the author of many of the item tables, along with some of the explanations involving the proposed item name changes. I've added my vote underneath each item, and Chubby Bub plans to do so when this discussion is published. Feel free to add your opinion underneath any item, or leave a general comment underneath "Discussion." HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Item #1: alcove → tokonoma[edit]

Game appearances
DnM/DnM+/DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-				alcove	Item:Alcove (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Tokonoma (Doubutsu no Mori+)
とこのま	-	とこのま	とこのま	とこのま
-	-	tokonoma	tokonoma	tokonoma

Comment The literal translation of this item is "alcove" (とこのま, tokonoma). While "alcove" is not an inaccurate translation, "tokonoma" is an accepted encyclopedic term and would make for an overall better translation that matches the localized name in later game entries. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose The current name is fine. Normally I would support changing the name to the localized one, but the current name already happens to match the unused internal name. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support I think tokonoma is a better name because it usually is a specific type of Japanese alcove; also, I think that matching the later name would be more useful than the unused internal one. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support per Chubby Bub. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support per Bub. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support per Chubby Bub as well. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #2: apple cardboard → apple cardboard box[edit]

Game appearances
DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-	-			Item:Apple cardboard (Doubutsu no Mori e+)	Item:Apple cardboard box (Doubutsu no Mori e+)
りんごのダンボール	-	-	ダンボール (りんご)	ダンボール (リンゴ)
-	-	-	cardboard box (Apple)	cardboard box (Apples)

Comment 林檎の段ボール (りんごのダンボール, ringo no danbōru) literally translates to "apple (corrugated) cardboard." The Japanese word for "cardboard box" is typically 段ボール箱 (danbōru bako), rather than 段ボール (danbōru), though it is understood that danbōru can be used as an abbreviation for danbōru bako. Visually, the item looks like a cardboard box, although the original Japanese name does not specify the "box" part. The localization does include the "box" part for clarity. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support "Cardboard box" is a better name than simply "cardboard," because it is more specific in describing the identity of the item. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support Agreed, "apple cardboard" is nonsense and the meaning of ダンボール here is cardboard box. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support As stated above, this is the literal translation. I was asked to translate this as directly as possible. If asking for a localization, I would've translated it as 'apple cardboard box' or 'cardboard box (apples)'. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #3: mandarin cardboard → mandarin cardboard box, tangerine cardboard (box), or orange cardboard (box)[edit]

Game appearances
DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	PC	NH
	-	-		-		Item:Mandarin cardboard (Doubutsu no Mori e+)	Item:Tangerine cardboard (Doubutsu no Mori e+) or Item:Orange cardboard (Doubutsu no Mori e+) or Item:Mandarin cardboard box (Doubutsu no Mori e+) or Item:Tangerine cardboard box (Doubutsu no Mori e+) or Item:Orange cardboard box (Doubutsu no Mori e+)
みかんのダンボール	-	-	ダンボール (みかん)	-	ダンボール (オレンジ)
-	-	-	cardboard box (Orange)	-	cardboard box (Oranges)
-	-	-	-		-
-	-	-	-	かごいりのみかん	-
-	-	-	-	basket of tangerines	-

Comment (The item in question is in row 1; row 2 is showcased for comparison since it has a similar Japanese name.) 蜜柑の段ボール (みかんのダンボール, mikan no danbōru) literally translates to "mikan (corrugated) cardboard." The Japanese word for "cardboard box" is typically 段ボール箱 (danbōru bako), rather than 段ボール (danbōru), though it is understood that danbōru can be used as an abbreviation for danbōru bako. Visually, the item looks like a cardboard box, although the original Japanese name does not specify the "box" part. The localization does include the "box" part for clarity.

There is a gray area when it comes to translating the first part of the name, みかん (mikan). "Mikan" can be translated as several things, including "mandarin (orange)," "tangerine," or "orange." Mandarins and tangerines are types of oranges, and mandarins and tangerines are almost identical fruits with a very slight difference. Of small note, the fruit changed from mikan to orange between New Leaf and New Horizons (in the Japanese versions only); still, the fruit of the Doubutsu no Mori e+ item is a mikan. Tangerines and mandarins are slightly different fruits from the fruit generically referred to as "oranges," which the New Leaf localization fails to capture by simply calling the item the "Orange" variant. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support Between "mandarin cardboard box," "tangerine cardboard (box)," and "orange cardboard (box)," I vote for "tangerine cardboard box." To be honest, I'm a bit biased, because when I first learned the word "mikan," I was taught that it meant "tangerine." But as of writing this comment, when I googled the translations for "mikan," the majority of the results seem to be "mandarin (orange)." Anyways, I still feel that "tangerine" is the best choice of the three, because it avoids any confusion that could be associated with the Mandarin Chinese dialect, and orange as a color of the rainbow. Either way, I think it is better to be slightly more accurate in choosing either "tangerine" or "mandarin," even if it contradicts the New Leaf localization of "mikan" as "orange." Like I mentioned in the previous item, "cardboard box" is a better name than simply "cardboard," because it is more specific in describing the identity of the item. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

I Support "mandarin cardboard box". Mikan refers specifically to Citrus unshiu which is not the same as a tangerine, which is Citrus tangerina. Mikan is sometimes translated as tangerine in the context of the food because of their similarities, but this is inaccurate. (Technically the English name for this variety of citrus is "Satsuma".) But in any case both satsumas and tangerines are types of mandarin oranges, so I think that is the best name. ~~I may or may not have spent a fair amount of time researching citrus taxonomy because of this.~~ Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "mandarin cardboard box" per Chubby Bub. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "mandarin cardboard box" per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "mandarin cardboard box". As stated for apple cardboard, this was another literal translation. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #4: spring championship pennant → spring champion's pennant[edit]

Game appearances
DnM+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-	-	-		spring medal	Item:Spring championship pennant (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Spring champion's pennant (Doubutsu no Mori+)
はるのゆうしょうき	-	-	-	ゆうしょうき
-	-	-	-	champion's pennant

Comment The literal translation of this item is "spring championship pennant" (はるのゆうしょうき, haru no yūshouki), sharing its base name, yūshouki (ゆうしょうき) with the New Horizons item. However, the localization opts to translate yūshouki as "champion's pennant" rather than as "championship pennant." HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose The current name sounds fine, and the new name slightly changes the original meaning. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose for the same reason as HylianAngel. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose The reasoning above is good enough for me. I would like to add that unlike in New Horizons, this is a distinct item from it's autumn counterpart and thus would not be suited to be categorized under New Horizons' derivative. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 07:17, January 12, 2023 (EST)

Item #5: autumn championship pennant → fall championship pennant, fall champion's pennant, or autumn champion's pennant[edit]

Game appearances
DnM+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-	-	-		fall medal	Item:Autumn championship pennant (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Fall championship pennant (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Fall champion's pennant (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Autumn champion's pennant (Doubutsu no Mori+)
あきのゆうしょうき	-	-	-	ゆうしょうき (レッド)
-	-	-	-	champion's pennant (Red)

Comment あきのゆうしょうき (aki no yūshouki) literally translates to either "fall championship pennant" or "autumn championship pennant." This item should technically have "fall" in its name rather than "autumn" due to the community vote in Talk:Fall; if a community translation must opt between "fall" and "autumn," then it should opt for "fall," per the previous community vote. Furthermore, it is obtained from the "Fall Sports Fair." However, one thing that contradicts this naming scheme is that there is an item called autumn medal in Animal Crossing that is similarly obtained from the Fall Sports Fair. It would make sense to continue using the "autumn" naming scheme for consistency with the localization of this similar item. Also, like mentioned in the previous item (item #4), the base name, ゆうしょうき (yūshouki), was localized as "champion's pennant" in New Horizons. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose The current usage of "autumn" is fine due to the existence of the similar item in Animal Crossing with the "autumn" naming scheme. Also, changing "championship pennant" to "champion's pennant" slightly alters the original meaning, so the change isn't needed. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per HylianAngel. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. Same reasoning as the spring variant. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #6: barricade → saw horse, sawhorse, or safety barrier[edit]

Game appearances
DnM/DnM+	AC/DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
						barricade	Item:Barricade (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Saw horse (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Sawhorse (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Safety barrier (Doubutsu no Mori+)
バリケード	バリケード	バリケード	バリケード	バリケード	バリケード
-	saw horse	saw horse	saw horse	sawhorse	safety barrier

Comment The Japanese item name, "barricade" (バリケード, barikēdo), has been consistent throughout all entries, but its design changed at the same time the item was localized in the English version of Animal Crossing. Its design reverted back to its original Doubutsu no Mori+ design in New Horizons. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose As much as I would like to use one of the localized names in this scenario, I think it is better to leave the name unchanged, since all 3 localizations change the meaning of the original Japanese name. Plus, the current name happens to match the unused internal name. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose I also think barricade is a fine name to use here. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. The one in New Horizons is the closest, but it is still lacking the text. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #7: basket goal → basketball goal, or basketball hoop[edit]

Game appearances
DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
					Item:Basket goal (Doubutsu no Mori e+)	Item:Basketball goal (Doubutsu no Mori e+) or Item:Basketball hoop (Doubutsu no Mori e+)
バスケットのゴール	バスケットのゴール	バスケットのゴール	バスケットのゴール	バスケットのゴール
-	basketball hoop	basketball hoop	basketball hoop	basketball hoop

Comment The literal translation of this item is "basket goal" (バスケットのゴール, basuketto no gōru). Typically, the word バスケットボール (basukettobōru) can be abbreviated as バスケット (basuketto) and is still understood to be the exact same word, so "basketball goal" is an equally acceptable literal translation. The item in question is never referred to as "basket goal" or "basketball goal" in English, since the commonplace terminology for it is "basketball hoop." While it doesn't match the in-game name, its typical Japanese name in real life is バスケットリング (basuketto ringu), literally "basket ring." HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support Between "basketball goal" and "basketball hoop," I vote for "basketball hoop," since "basketball hoop" matches the localized name for consistency. It's also more accurate in describing the identity of the item. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support for "basketball hoop" as well. Although it technically makes sense, "basketball goal" is not a term used in English, but it is one in Japanese used to refer to this item which is equivalently called a "basketball hoop" in English. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "basketball hoop" per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "basketball hoop" per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "baskeball hoop" per above. I would also have localized this as basketball hoop. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #8: bass boat-wrap sushi → bass boat, or bass sushi platter[edit]

Game appearances
DnM+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-	-		-	bass boat	Item:Bass boat-wrap sushi (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Bass boat (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Bass sushi platter (Doubutsu no Mori+)
バスのふなもり	-	-	ふなもり	-
-	-	-	sushi platter	-

Comment The literal translation of this item is "bass boat-wrap sushi" (バスのふなもり, basu no funamori), sharing its base name, funamori (ふなもり) with the New Leaf item. However, the localization opts to translation funamori as "sushi platter" rather than as "boat-wrap sushi." HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose As much as I would like to use either the localized name or unused internal name in this scenario, I think it is better to leave the name unchanged, as "boat-wrap sushi" is more specific than either of the new names. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose I agree, funamori is a specific type of sushi platter where it is served on a miniature boat. It seems this is sometimes called "boat-wrap" in English. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. Chubby Bub is correct about the localized meaning. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #9: bath chairs → spa chair(s), or bath stool(s)[edit]

Game appearances
DnM/DnM+/DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-				spa chair	Item:Bath chairs (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Spa chair (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Spa chairs (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Bath stool (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Bath stools (Doubutsu no Mori+)
おふろのイス	-	おふろのイス	おふろのイス	おふろのいす
-	-	spa chair	spa chair	bath stool (Blue)

Comment お風呂のイス (おふろのイス, ofuro no isu) literally translates to "bath chair," although neither localization calls it as such, opting for "spa chair" prior to New Horizons and for "bath stool" in New Horizons. Although the localization calls it a singular chair, the item in question is actually a stack of multiple chairs prior to New Horizons. Japanese does not make a distinction between singular and plural nouns, which is why the localization made this minor translation error prior to New Horizons. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose As much as I would like to use either of the localized names in this scenario, I think it is better to leave the name unchanged, since "spa chair(s)" is not an accurate translation, and there isn't much benefit in using the "bath stool(s)" translation. The current name is technically an amalgamate of both existing localizations, so it's probably fine to leave it alone. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per HylianAngel. "Bath chairs" is a more accurate translation. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support for "bath stools". Why would there be no benefit to use "bath stool(s)"? As far as I can tell, a stool is "a seat without a back or arms" according to Oxford Languages. The item does match this criteria because it has no back or arm support, and as far I can tell, a chair is something with a back support. Now some of Nintendo's quirk is that there are items without back support or arms with the name "chair", such as spooky chair in New Horizons, but for the sake of this item, I do not believe that "bath chairs" is a approriate name. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. The theme it belongs to was translated to 'public bath' in Animal Crossing despite going unused. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #10: bathhouse tile floor → bath tile, or bathhouse tile[edit]

Game appearances
DnM/DnM+/DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-			-	Item:Bathhouse tile floor (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Bath tile (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Bathhouse tile (Doubutsu no Mori+)
おふろばタイルのゆか	-	おふろばタイルのゆか	おふろばタイルのゆか	-
-	-	bath tile	bath tile	-

Comment お風呂場タイルの床 (おふろばタイルのゆか, ofuroba tairu no yuka) literally translates to either "bathhouse tile floor" or "bathroom tile floor." The first word, お風呂場 (おふろば, ofuroba) translates to either "bathhouse" or "bathroom," while the root of the word, 風呂 (ふろ, furo) translates to "bath." The localization opts to reduce the name to simply "bath tile." HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose As much as I would like to use the localized name in this scenario, I think it is better to leave the name unchanged. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Comment How about a compromise of "bathhouse tile", as was done for other "tile" floors in Animal Crossing? That or the current name are equally fine with me. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support I agree with Chubby Bub's comments that we should use "bathhouse tile". -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #11: bean-throwing set → bean set, or bean-tossing kit[edit]

Game appearances
DnM+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-	-			bean set	Item:Bean-throwing set (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Bean set (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Bean-tossing kit (Doubutsu no Mori+)
まめまきセット	-	-	まめ	まめまきセット
-	-	-	beans	bean-tossing kit

Comment 豆まきセット (まめまきセット, mamemaki setto) literally translates to "bean-throwing set," "bean-scattering set," "bean-sowing set," and such. The item in Doubutsu no Mori+ is a furniture rather than a tool like in New Leaf and New Horizons, and it has a slightly different design, with the red oni mask as decoration. However, the Doubutsu no Mori+ and New Horizons items have identical Japanese names, which is worth taking into consideration, since New Horizons provides a true localization for the item in question. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose The current name is fine and is already pretty similar to the unused internal name. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose While "scattering" is technically a more accurate translation, mamemaki is often called "bean throwing". I also think it's fine. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. I opted to use 'throwing' here as I thought it was more expressive. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Items #12 and #13: beckoning (black) cat → lucky (black) cat, or (black) maneki-neko[edit]

Game appearances					Unused internal AC name	Current name	New name
DnM/DnM+/DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
								lucky black cat	Item:Beckoning black cat (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Lucky black cat (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Black maneki-neko (Doubutsu no Mori+)
くろいまねきねこ	くろいまねきねこ	くろいまねきねこ	くろいまねきねこ	まねきねこ (ブラック)
-	lucky black cat	lucky black cat	lucky black cat	lucky cat (Black)
					lucky cat	Item:Beckoning cat (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Lucky cat (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Maneki-neko (Doubutsu no Mori+)
まねきねこ	まねきねこ	まねきねこ	まねきねこ	まねきねこ (ホワイト)
-	lucky cat	lucky cat	lucky cat	lucky cat (White)

Comment In Japanese, these are called maneki-neko, which literally means "beckoning cat," but they are usually called "lucky cat" in English, as was done in later games. - unsigned comment from Chubby Bub (talk • contribs)

Oppose As much as I would like to use the localized names in this scenario, I think it is better to leave the names unchanged. While the item in question does bring good luck, changing "beckoning cat" to "lucky cat" somewhat changes the original name meaning. However, I have to concede that "lucky cat" is the most common way to refer to the item. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Comment I'm a bit conflicted because maneki-neko are called "lucky cats" in English, but ultimately in the Japanese-only context of Doubutsu no Mori e+ I think "beckoning cat" is more accurate to the intention of the item. (If we do this, I think it should be changed to "black beckoning cat" to reflect that and the word order of the Japanese name.)
Alternatively, I would suggest simply calling it maneki-neko and "black maneki-neko" as they are a distinct concept and this is what the item is in the Japanese game. "Lucky cats" in the West have become slightly different conceptually and culturally, so it makes sense for a localization, but not a translation. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Comment Regarding rearranging "beckoning black cat" to "black beckoning cat." I think two of the reasons it's not already this is because: there's an unspoken but naturally understood English rule integrated into our brains of the correct order of adjectives, and because in Japanese, it's already understood, since maneki-neko are "fused" together, it's impossible to rearrange it as maneki-kuroi-neko (I'm assuming), but we would want to present it in a way that's gramatically correct from an English perspective. Not to say we couldn't do "black lucky cat" instead of "lucky black cat," but I think that's why it was initially translated as the latter. HylianAngel (talk) 16:19, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "maneki-neko" and "black maneki-neko" per Chubby Bub. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support for the "maneki" suggestions per Bub. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "lucky cat" and "lucky black cat". Design-wise these are objectively the same as later games. I think we should follow the trend set by all other mainline games. A note should be considered for the pages giving the alternative translation. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #14: big-haul flag → big catch flag, big-catch flag, or fishing-boat flag[edit]

Game appearances
DnM+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-	-	-		big catch flag	Item:Big-haul flag (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Big catch flag (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Big-catch flag (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Fishing-boat flag (Doubutsu no Mori+)
たいりょうばた	-	-	-	たいりょうき (大漁)
-	-	-	-	fishing-boat flag (Nintenmaru - Big Catch)

Comment The literal translation of this item is "big-catch flag." 大漁旗 can be read as either たいりょうばた (tairyou bata) or たいりょうき (tairyou ki). たいりょう (tairyou) means "big catch," while ばた (bata) and き (ki) both mean "flag" or "banner." Essentially, they are the same word in Japanese, so despite the design change, it is considered the same item. In New Horizons, the first variant is described as "大漁" (tairyou), as that is the most prominent kanji on the flag. However, the localization of the first variant is "Nintenmaru - Big Catch," which includes the transliteration of some smaller kanji on the flag; the reason for the localizers doing this, despite the original Japanese variant name not including "Nintenmaru" whatsoever, was so it would have a consistent naming scheme with the other English variant names. Anyways, the localization uses both "fishing boat" and "big catch" when it comes to translating the word tairyou. While the flag is technically attached to fishing boats, "fishing boat" is a less direct translation than "big catch." HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support Between "big catch flag," "big-catch flag," and "fishing-boat flag," I vote for "big-catch flag," since "big catch" matches one of the localizations and is equally valid with the current translation, "big haul." "Big-catch flag" is grammatically preferable to "big catch flag" because "big catch" is a noun being used as an adjective to describe the flag. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support for "big-catch flag" as well. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "big-catch flag" per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "big-catch flag" per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "big-catch" flag. I opted for "big-haul" due to the fishing context. As HylianAngel correctly states, "big-catch" is an equal translation. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #15: cabriole-leg bathtub → clawfoot bathtub, claw-foot tub, claw-foot bathtub, or clawfoot tub[edit]

Game appearances
DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
					Item:Cabriole-leg bathtub (Doubutsu no Mori e+)	Item:Clawfoot bathtub (Doubutsu no Mori e+) or Item:Claw-foot tub (Doubutsu no Mori e+) or Item:Claw-foot bathtub (Doubutsu no Mori e+) or Item:Clawfoot tub (Doubutsu no Mori e+)
ねこあしバスタブ	ねこあしバスタブ	ねこあしバスタブ	ねこあしバスタブ	ねこあしバスタブ
-	claw-foot tub	claw-foot tub	claw-foot tub	claw-foot tub

Comment 猫足バスタブ (ねこあしバスタブ, nekoashi basutabu) literally translates to either "cabriole-leg bathtub" or "clawfoot bathtub." "Cabriole-leg bathtub" is never used in English. In comparison, "clawfoot bathtub" (along with "clawfoot tub") is the commonplace terminology for the item in question. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support Bewteen "clawfoot bathtub" and "claw-foot tub," I vote for "clawfoot bathtub," since it is equally as valid a name as the current name, and its nomenclature is very similar to the localized name, "claw-foot tub." HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support for "claw-foot tub" since it is also a valid translation, and it matches later games. Either proposed change is better than "cabriole" though. As a note, Japanese word for cabriole/clawfoot legs literally means "cat paw". Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "claw-foot bathtub" per HylianAngel. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Comment Out of curiosity Alex, why format "clawfoot bathtub" as "claw-foot bathtub"? -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "claw-foot bathtub" to match name used in all other games. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Comment Just to be clear, you are voting for "claw-foot bathtub" and not "claw-foot tub"? The name used in the actual games translates "bathtub" as "tub," so it's just "claw-foot tub." HylianAngel (talk) 21:48, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #16: cracker → party popper[edit]

Game appearances
DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
					Item:Cracker (Doubutsu no Mori e+)	Item:Party popper (Doubutsu no Mori e+)
クラッカー	クラッカー	クラッカー	クラッカー	クラッカー
-	party popper	party popper	party popper	party popper

Comment While the literal translation of this item is "cracker" (クラッカー, kurakkā), to my understanding, it is still acceptable to translate it as "party popper." Additionally, the Japanese Wikipedia page for "cracker (party goods)" links to the English Wikipedia page for "party popper" in the interlanguage links section, as the items are essentially identical. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support I like that the new name matches the localized name for consistency. It's also more specific in describing the identity of the item. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support per HylianAngel. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Comment; I'm conflicted on this one. On one hand, "party popper" is more descriptive and looks better, but on the other, it strays pretty far from its original Japanese name. I think I'd be fine either way. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support per HylianAngel. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support For continuity's sake I agree with this change. I do believe it is worth considering Alex's viewpoint here. I would like to add that 'クラッカー' is referring to a party popper and either translation is equally valid. Party popper does make more sense to English speakers. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Items #17-19: daruma → dharma[edit]

Game appearances					Unused internal AC name	Current name	New name
DnM/DnM+/DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
								dharma	Item:Daruma (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Dharma (Doubutsu no Mori+)
ダルマ	ダルマ	ダルマ	ダルマ	ダルマ
-	dharma	dharma	dharma	dharma
					mini-dharma	Item:Mini daruma (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Mini-dharma (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Mini dharma (Doubutsu no Mori+)
ミニダルマ	ミニダルマ	ミニダルマ	ミニダルマ	ミニダルマ
-	mini-dharma	mini-dharma	mini dharma	mini dharma
				-	giant dharma	Item:Certain-victory daruma (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Giant dharma (Doubutsu no Mori+)
ひっしょうダルマ	ひっしょうダルマ	ひっしょうダルマ	ひっしょうダルマ	-
-	giant dharma	giant dharma	giant dharma	-

Comment While the name daruma does come from the Sanskrit dharma (specifically Bodhidharma), in the context of the Japanese dolls they are almost always called daruma, even in English. Note also the certain-victory daruma (giant dharma in later games) is called so due to having the kanji 必勝 (hisshou, certain victory) on it, which is somewhat common on daruma dolls. - unsigned comment from Chubby Bub (talk • contribs)

Oppose As much as I would like to use the localized names in this scenario, I think it is better to leave the names unchanged, since the new names are less accurate. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose Referring to these Japanese figures as "dharma" is incorrect, and to be honest, I'm surprised newer games haven't rectified this. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #20: folding screen → screen[edit]

Game appearances
DnM/DnM+/DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
					screen	Item:Folding screen (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Screen (Doubutsu no Mori+)
びょうぶ	びょうぶ	びょうぶ	びょうぶ	びょうぶ (松)
-	screen	screen	screen	screen (Pine)

Comment 屏風 (びょうぶ, byoubu) literally translates to "folding screen." However, the localization reduces the name to simply "screen." HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose As much as I would like to use the localized name in this scenario, I think it is better to leave the name unchanged, since the current name is more specific about the nature of the item. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose "Folding screen" is better. Arguably the item could also just be called byōbu since that is a specific type of Japanese folding screen, but I don't think that would be very helpful. It probably can just be a note on the item page. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose While it is clear that this is the same item as later games, "folding screen" is simply more descriptive. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #21: Jōmon pottery → Jomon pottery[edit]

Game appearances
DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-			-	Item:Jōmon pottery (Doubutsu no Mori e+)	Item:Jomon pottery (Doubutsu no Mori e+)
じょうもんしきどき	-	じょうもんしきどき	じょうもんしきどき	-
-	-	Jomon pottery	Jomon pottery	-

Comment 縄文式土器 (じょうもんしきどき, joumon shikidoki), commonly known as 縄文土器 (じょうもんしきどき, joumon doki), literally translates to "Jōmon pottery." Jōmon is meant to be spelled with an "ō." However, the localized name uses a regular "o." HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose It's probably better not to change the name since the new name is less grammatically correct. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose "Jomon" is an incorrect spelling. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Items #22 and #23: drum can → drum, oil drum, or oil barrel[edit]

Game appearances						Unused internal AC name
DnM/DnM+	AC/DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-						brown drum	Item:Light brown drum can (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Brown drum (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Brown oil drum (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Brown oil barrel (Doubutsu no Mori+)
ちゃいろのドラムカン	-	ちゃいろのドラムかん	ちゃいろのドラムかん	ドラムかん (ちゃいろ)	ドラムかん (ダメージ)
-	-	brown drum	brown drum	oil barrel (Brown)	oil barrel (Damaged)
	-					red drum	Item:Red drum can (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Red drum (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Red oil drum (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Red oil barrel (Doubutsu no Mori+)
あかいドラムカン	-	あかいドラムかん	あかいドラムかん	ドラムかん (あか)	ドラムかん (レッド)
-	-	red drum	red drum	oil barrel (Red)	oil barrel (Red)

みどりのドラムカン		みどりのドラムかん	みどりのドラムかん	ドラムかん (みどり)	ドラムかん (グリーン)
green drum		green drum	green drum	oil barrel (Green)	oil barrel (Green)

Comment (The items in question are in rows 1 and 2; row 3 is showcased for comparison since it has a similar Japanese name and has appeared in Animal Crossing for GameCube.) ドラムカン / ドラムかん (doramu kan) is the base name shared by all of these items, and it literally translates to "drum can." However, the localization opts to translate it as "drum" in games prior to New Leaf, and as "oil drum" in the Oil Drum Set (ドラムかんセット). To be honest, while "drum" is not an inaccurate localization, I feel it is not the best choice, because "drum" can be confused with the instrument. However, it makes sense to use "drum" anyways to be consistent with the localization, especially since green drum was localized in Animal Crossing and exists in some of the same pre-Wild World games (Doubutsu no Mori and Doubutsu no Mori+) as ちゃいろのドラムカン and あかいドラムカン. Of note, ちゃいろ (chairo) can be translated as either "light brown" or "brown." HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose The current names are fine. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support for "red drum" and "brown drum". While ドラム is literally "drum" and カン / かん "can" (it is the kanji 缶 which is an ateji/loanword written in kanji meaning can, pot, container, etc), the term ドラム缶 would more accurately be translated as simply "drum" since the item is not called a "drum can" in English. This also matches the counterpart in Animal Crossing, which was translated as such, and the translations from later games. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "red drum" and "brown drum" per Chubby Bub. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "red drum" and "brown drum" per Bub. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "red drum" and "brown drum" per above. Another instance of my literal translations. 'ちゃいろ' can be translated as brown, light brown, tawny, etc. Omitting 'can' is fine as it is uncommon to use that in English. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #24: morning assembly stand → stepstool, or platform[edit]

Game appearances
DnM/DnM+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-	-		-	stepstool	Item:Morning assembly stand (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Stepstool (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Platform (Doubutsu no Mori+)
ちょうれいだい	-	-	ちょうれいだい	-
-	-	-	platform	-

Comment 朝礼台 (ちょうれいだい, choureidai) literally translates to "morning assembly stand." It seems that the localization and unused internal name uses generic names that are meant to make more sense to an English-speaking audience. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose It's probably better to leave the name unchanged since the current name is more specific. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose since the other names remove the context. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #25: N cube shirt → N logo shirt, or N-cube shirt[edit]

Game appearances
DnM	DnM+/AC/DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-	-	-	-	-	Item:N cube shirt (Doubutsu no Mori)	Item:N logo shirt (Doubutsu no Mori) or Item:N-cube shirt (Doubutsu no Mori)
Nキューブなふく	-	-	-	-	-
-	-	-	-	-	-
		-	-	-	-
Nキューブ		-	-	-	-
N logo		-	-	-	-
-		-	-	-	-
-	Gキューブなふく	-	-	-	-
-	G logo shirt	-	-	-	-
-		-	-	-	-
-	Gキューブ	-	-	-	-
-	G logo	-	-	-	-

Comment (The items in question is in row 1; rows 2-4 are showcased for comparison since they have similar Japanese names.) Nキューブな服 (Nキューブなふく, N kyūbu na fuku) literally translates to "N cube clothes." There also exists a furniture item of a similar nature called Nキューブ (N kyūbu) which shares its base name with the clothing item, and it literally translates to "N cube." However, it was localized as the "N logo." Similarly, the Gキューブな服 (Gキューブなふく, G kyūbu na fuku) and Gキューブ (G kyūbu) literally translate to "G cube clothes" and "G cube" respectively, but the localization calls them the "G logo shirt" and "G logo." HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Neutral I'm personaly conflicted. It makes extreme logical sense to update the current name to the new name, since 3 of the 4 items were localized from "cube" as "logo." Updating the name would make it much clearer that this item is linked with the other 3 items. However, I would much rather keep it as "cube" because that is more accurate than the localization. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Neutral I feel the same conflict... I'll have to think on it, but I'd like to know if anyone else has an opinion. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose; while it would make it inconsistent with the N logo and G logo furniture items, the "N cube" name is still clear in what it's representing and it's the most accurate translation. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Comment Why not "N cube logo shirt"? It inherits not only the "N cube" localization and also gives consistency with G logo shirt. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support While Alex makes a good point about the correctness of the translation, I believe "N logo shirt" is more appropriate. We can tell that the localizers would have omitted 'cube', as N logo, G logo, and G logo shirt are also missing 'cube'. Therefore, I believe we should follow the set style in this specific case. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #26: New Year's Eve noodles → long-life noodle, New Year's noodles, or toshikoshi soba[edit]

Game appearances
DnM+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-	-			long-life noodle	Item:New Year's Eve noodles (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Long-life noodle (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:New Year's noodles (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Toshikoshi soba (Doubutsu no Mori+)
としこしそば	-	-	としこしそば	としこしそば
-	-	-	New Year's noodles	New Year's noodles

Comment 年越し蕎麦 (としこしそば, toshikoshi soba) is a noodle dish traditionally eaten on New Year's Eve. However, the localization translates it as "New Year's" rather than as "New Year's Eve." HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose As much as I would like to use the localized name in this scenario, I think it is better to leave the name unchanged, as "New Year's" by itself slightly misleading. The unused internal name is also not that great and probably shouldn't be used. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Comment I agree with your reasoning on "New Year's Eve noodles" as a translation However for the same reason as maneki-neko above and especially osechi below, I wonder if it might be better to use the actual Japanese name, toshikoshi soba. I actually would have expected New Horizons to do so given they use, for example, nanakusa gayu and not "seven-herb rice porridge", but I suppose it might be because New Year's is an international holiday. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "toshikoshi soba" per Chubby Bub. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "toshikoshi soba" per Bub. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "New Year's noodles". Same logic as the lucky cats. The internal AC name is a horrible localization. I get they were aiming to infer the "purpose" of eating the noodles, but it is simply wrong. I think it would make sense for most users to keep with future titles and call it "New Year's noodles". Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #27: New Year's food → osechi[edit]

Game appearances
DnM+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-	-	-		osechi	Item:New Year's food (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Osechi (Doubutsu no Mori+)
おせち	-	-	-	おせち
-	-	-	-	osechi

Comment Osechi (おせち) is traditional Japanese New Year's food. It may make sense to leave the current name alone rather than update it to the localized name, due to the existence of the similarly-translated New Year's Eve noodles. However, the localized name is worth taking into consideration as its New Horizons name provides a true localization for the item in question.HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support I like that the new name matches the localization and unused internal name for consistency. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support Osechi is New Year's food, but unlike toshikoshi soba (see above) that's not what it even means. And once again, as a uniquely Japanese item, I think that name is better. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support per above. The internal AC name is also consistent. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #28: pail → garbage pail[edit]

Game appearances
DnM/DnM+/DnMe+	AC	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-					garbage pail	Item:Pail (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Garbage pail (Doubutsu no Mori+)
ペール	-	ペール	ペール	ペール	ペール
-	-	garbage pail	garbage pail	garbage pail	garbage pail

ブリキのペール		ブリキのペール	ブリキのペール	ブリキのペール	ブリキのペール
garbage can		garbage can	garbage can	garbage can	garbage can
-	-	-	-
-	-	-	-	キャスターペール	キャスターペール
	-	-	-	garbage bin	garbage bin

Comment (The items in question is in row 1; rows 2 and 3 are showcased for comparison since they have similar Japanese names.) The literal translation of this item is "pail" (ペール, pēru). Visually, the item looks like a garbage pail, although the original Japanese name does not specify the "garbage" part. The localization does include the "garbage" part. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support "Garbage pail" is a better name, because it is more specific in describing the identity of the item. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support per HylianAngel. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support per above. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #29: Paulownia dresser → dresser, Paulownia/paulownia closet, Paulownia tansu, or empress-tree-wood dresser[edit]

Game appearances
DnM/DnM+/DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-				dresser	Item:Paulownia dresser (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Dresser (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Paulownia closet (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Empress-tree-wood dresser (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Paulownia tansu (Doubutsu no Mori+)
きりだんす	-	きりだんす	きりだんす	わだんす (桐)
-	-	paulownia closet	paulownia closet	Japanese dresser (Empress-tree wood)

Comment The name of this item prior to New Horizons is 桐箪笥 (きりだんす, kiri dansu), which literally translates to "Paulownia dresser." Paulownia is a genus of hardwood tree in Asia. For some reason, the pre-New Horizons localization calls it a "closet" instead of a "dresser"; it's not really a closet, since you can't hang clothes in this item. However, in New Horizons, the item's Japanese name slightly changes and becomes 和箪笥 (わだんす, wa dansu), which literally translates to "Japanese dresser," and the 桐 (kiri) part of the name is moved to the variant. While the New Horizons localization now properly describes the item as a "dresser," it simultaneously alters the translation of "Paulownia" to "Empress-tree wood." "Empress tree/Paulownia tomentosa" is a very specific species of Paulownia, and 桐 (kiri) can technically refer to either "Paulownia" or "Paulownia tomentosa." Other names for Paulownia tomentosa include "princess tree" and "fox-glove tree," although the localization specifically opts for "empress tree."

Another mild discrepancy related to the pre-New Horizons localized name involves "Paulownia" being lowercase rather than uppercase. As "Paulownia" is a genus, it should remain uppercase. However, it is possible that some users may want this page moved to the exact localized name, "paulownia closet," rather than "Paulownia closet" for grammar correctness, and this will affect the text within the page's prose (although it has no effective impact on the page's title). HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose The current name is fine. The unused internal name of "dresser" is a poor choice because it fails to translate 桐 (kiri). "Paulownia/paulownia closet" is a poor choice because the item in question is a dresser, not a closet. "Paulownia" is already an accurate generic translation of 桐 (kiri) along with being the pre-New Horizons localization's choice for this item's name, so there isn't really a huge need to change it to "empress-tree-wood." HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Comment I don't oppose your reasoning and the current name, but a tansu is a particular type of Japanese furniture that may be a dresser, but not necessarily. Although this item is a dresser, I think it would be better to call it "Paulownia tansu". (see also my opinions on the other tansu items) Maybe I'm sounding like a broken record on retaining some Japanese names, but the matter of what a tansu actually is is what made me realize this before the others. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "Paulownia tansu" per Chubby Bub. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "Paulownia tansu" per Bub. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per HylianAngel. I agree with adjusting the name to 'paulownia dresser'. It is clear by the unused internal name that 'dresser' is correct, and I am against calling it a 'tansu' as a direct translation was given to us. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #30: pinball table → pinball machine[edit]

Game appearances
DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
					Item:Pinball table (Doubutsu no Mori e+)	Item:Pinball machine (Doubutsu no Mori e+)
ピンボールだい	ピンボールだい	ピンボールだい	ピンボールだい	ピンボールだい
-	pinball machine	pinball machine	pinball machine	pinball machine

Comment ピンボール台 (ピンボールだい, pinbōru dai) literally translates to "pinball table," or "pinball stand." Usually the item in question is referred to as ピンボールマシン (pinbōru mashin) in Japanese, but it seems to be interchangeable with the word ピンボールだい (pinbōru dai). The item in question is never referred to as "pinball table" in English, since the commonplace terminology for it is "pinball machine." HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support "Pinball machine" is a better name, because it is more specific in describing the identity of the item. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support for the same reasons. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support per above. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #31 and #32: rag chair/desk → towel chair/desk, chair/desk with rag, chair/desk with cloth, or chair/desk with towel[edit]

Game appearances					Unused internal AC name	Current name	New name
DnM/DnM+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-			-				towel chair	Item:Rag chair (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Towel chair (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Chair with rag (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Chair with cloth (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Chair with towel (Doubutsu no Mori+)
ぞうきんのイス	-	がっこうのイス	がっこうのイス	-
-	-	school chair	school chair	-
	-			-	towel desk	Item:Rag desk (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Towel desk (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Desk with rag (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Desk with cloth (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Desk with towel (Doubutsu no Mori+)
ぞうきんのつくえ	-	がっこうのつくえ	がっこうのつくえ	-
-	-	school desk	school desk	-
-	-	-		-
-	-	-	ぞうきんかけ	-
-	-	-	towel rack	-

Comment (The items in question are in rows 1 and 2; row 3 is showcased for comparison since it shares some of its Japanese name.) The main focus of this vote is the identity of the rag hanging on the chair and desk. ぞうきんのイス (zoukin no isu) can be translated as either "dust-cloth chair" or "cleaning-cloth chair," while ぞうきんのつくえ (zoukin no tsukue) can be translated as either "dust-cloth table" or "cleaning-cloth table." Chubby Bub has noted that, while the literal translations of these items are "cleaning-cloth chair" and "cleaning-cloth desk," these items would more aptly be referred to as "chair with a cleaning cloth" and "desk with a cleaning cloth" in English. He would personally opt for "chair with cleaning cloth" and "desk with cleaning cloth," but the names are a bit lengthy, and he suggests that either "chair with rag" and "desk with rag," or "chair with cloth" and "desk with cloth," would be acceptable. But not "cloth chair" and "cloth desk," since that would make it sound like that the items are made of cloth.

In New Leaf, there is a similar item that contains this same rag: the "towel rack" (ぞうきんかけ, zoukin kake). The New Leaf localization opts to translate "cleaning cloth/dust cloth" (ぞうきん, zoukin) as "towel" for this particular item. It may make sense to rename the "rag chair" and "rag desk" as "towel chair" and "towel desk" respectively due to this somewhat similar item. Furthermore, the unused internal name for Animal Crossing also calls these items as such, "towel chair" and "towel desk."

Of note, there are items called "school chair" (がっこうのイス, gakkou no isu) and "school desk" (がっこうのつくえ, gakkou no tsukue) in Doubutsu no Mori, Doubutsu no Mori+, City Folk, New Leaf, and New Horizons, that are technically considered to be separate from the "rag chair" and "rag desk" in Doubutsu no Mori and Doubutsu no Mori+. However, aspects of the "rag chair" and "school chair" in DnM/DnM+ were combined in the "school chair" from CF/NL, while aspects of the "rag desk" and "school desk" in DnM/DnM+ were combined in the "school desk" from CF/NL (mainly the rag hanging on the object). To avoid falsely conflating the rag and non-rag items together, and since they exist in the same games in DnM/DnM+, this vote will not make any attempt to suggest renaming the "rag chair/desk" to "school chair/desk." HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose The current names are fine. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

雑巾/ぞうきん means "cleaning cloth". It might be a rag but also is often a cloth made especially for cleaning, which is the item featured here. (The translation of "towel" does not seem quite right to me.) Because a rag is a cloth anyways, and anything like "rag chair" sounds off (at least to me), I Support "desk with cloth" and "chair with cloth" as the most accurate translation. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "desk with cloth" and "chair with cloth" per Chubby Bub. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "desk with cloth" and "chair with cloth" per Bub. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "desk with cloth" and "chair with cloth" per above. The inclusion of variations without the cleaning cloth make me stray away from falling in line with future naming here. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #33: red vending machine → cola machine, or red drink machine[edit]

Game appearances
DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-	-			cola machine	Item:Red vending machine (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Cola machine (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Red drink machine (Doubutsu no Mori+)
あかいじはんき	-	-	じはんき (レッド)	じはんき (レッド - オレンジジュース)
-	-	-	drink machine (Red)	drink machine (Red - Orange juice)

Comment じはんき (jihanki) literally translates to "vending machine," while あかいじはんき (akai jihanki) literally translates to "red vending machine." This means that the localization in later games introduced the word "drink" into the name, even though there isn't anything about the original name that would imply that this item is related to drinks, other than its visual appearance. Also, there are some other items that contain the word jihanki that are not necessarily drink machines, like the candy machine (キャンディのじはんき, kyandi no jihanki). Furthermore, the Vending Set (じはんきセット, jihanki setto), also known as the Vending Machine Set, doesn't include the word "drink" in it either. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose As much as I would like to use the localized name in this scenario, I think it is better to leave the name unchanged. While "drink machine" is technically more specific in describing the merchandise inside of the item, it is a less accurate translation. The unused internal name is also not that accurate of a translation. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per HylianAngel. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #34: safety frog → lucky frog, safe-return frog, or buji kaeru[edit]

Game appearances
DnM/DnM+/DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-			-	lucky frog	Item:Safety frog (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Lucky frog (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Safe-return frog (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Buji kaeru (Doubutsu no Mori+)
ぶじかえる	-	ぶじかえる	ぶじかえる	-
-	-	lucky frog	lucky frog	-

Comment 無事蛙 (ぶじかえる, buji kaeru, often spelled as ぶじカエル) literally translates to "safety frog." They are frog figurines or amulets that are considered to bring good luck, similar to maneki-neko (cat figurines which are meant to bring good luck). The reason buji kaeru are considered lucky is due to wordplay involving the name: frog (蛙, kaeru) is pronounced identically to 帰る (kaeru), "to return (home)." So a person carries a buji kaeru to ensure that they will return home safely. (Frogs are generally considered auspicious due to a few other puns involving the name.) Sometimes buji kaeru are stone statues, and they are placed near the entrances to buildings, such as temples. It would make sense to use the localization, "lucky frog," since this item is associated with bringing good luck. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose As much as I would like to use the localized name in this scenario, I think it is better to leave the name unchanged. While the item in question does bring good luck, changing "safety frog" to "lucky frog" changes the original name meaning, involving the safeness aspect that the item is meant to bring. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Comment I think "safe return frog" is a better translation. Though again, I somewhat feel leaving it untranslated might also work. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "safe-return frog" (note the hyphen) per Chubby Bub. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support Changing my earlier vote from oppose to support for "safe-return frog," since it conveys the meaning even more strongly than the literal meaning. HylianAngel (talk) 16:19, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "safe-return frog" per Bub. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "lucky frog". I believe the reasoning for "safe-return frog" makes a lot of sense, but in this case we're given both a translated internal name and the same name carried on to two further games. Furthermore, the 'intention' here is to have good luck so that you return safely. For those two reasons, I am against "safe-return frog". Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #35: sewing box → sturdy sewing box[edit]

Game appearances
DnM/DnM+/DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-	-	-		sewing box	Item:Sewing box (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Sturdy sewing box (Doubutsu no Mori+)
さいほうばこ	-	-	-	さいほうばこ
-	-	-	-	sturdy sewing box

Comment The literal translation of this item is "sewing box." The New Horizons localization introduced an adjective into the name for flavor, although it was not really necessary. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose I think it would be better to leave the name unchanged. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per HylianAngel. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #36: shakōkidogū → spaceman[edit]

Game appearances
DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
			-	-	Item:Shakōkidogū (Doubutsu no Mori e+)	Item:Spaceman (Doubutsu no Mori e+)
しゃこうきどぐう	しゃこうきどぐう	しゃこうきどぐう	-	-
-	spaceman	spaceman	-	-

Comment This item's English and Japanese name changed when the item's identity was changed from a furniture to an artwork (the ancient statue) starting in New Leaf, so this discussion will only be focusing on its non-artwork incarnation. The encyclopedic term for this item is the shakōkidogū (goggle-eyed dogū). However, the Wild World localization team presumably felt that an English-speaking audience would not be culturally up-to-speed on Jōmon pottery and translated it as "spaceman" instead. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose As much as I would like to use the localized name in this scenario, I think it is better to leave the name unchanged, since the new name is less accurate. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose "spaceman" is one of those silly things from the... idiosyncratic Wild World localization, and by all means the item should be called shakōkidogū. Don't think we should call it "goggle-eyed earthen figure" either... Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. The "official" localization done for this makes no sense, even considering the culture barrier. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #37: staircase dresser → tansu, stair dresser, or stair tansu[edit]

Game appearances
DnM/DnM+/DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-				tansu	Item:Staircase dresser (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Tansu (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Stair dresser (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Stair tansu (Doubutsu no Mori+)
かいだんだんす	-	かいだんだんす	かいだんだんす	かいだんだんす (赤)
-	-	stair dresser	stair dresser	stair dresser (Red)

Comment 階段箪笥 (かいだんだんす, kaidan dansu) literally translates to either "stair dresser" or "staircase dresser." The internal name, "tansu," is not an inaccurate translation, but it's a bit broad, since it simply means "dresser" by itself. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support Between "tansu" and "stair dresser," I vote for "stair dresser." It's an equally valid name as the current name, and I like that it matches the localization. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support for "stair tansu" for the same reason as "Paulownia tansu" and "tea tansu". Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "stair tansu" per Chubby Bub. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "stair tansu" per Bub. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "stair dresser" per HylianAngel. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #38: striped pylon → striped cone, or striped traffic cone[edit]

Game appearances
DnM/DnM+	WW	CF	NL	NH
					striped cone	Item:Striped pylon (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Striped cone (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Striped traffic cone (Doubutsu no Mori+)
しましまパイロン	しましまパイロン	しましまパイロン	しましまパイロン	パイロン (デンジャー)
-	striped cone	striped cone	striped cone	cone (Caution stripes)

Comment 縞縞パイロン (しましまパイロン, shimashima pairon) literally translates to "striped pylon." While the usage of パイロン (pairon) could refer to other generic pylons, such as a corner pylon (コーナーパイロン, kōnā pairon), it's very commonly used to refer to the specific pylon known as a "traffic cone." HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support "Striped cone" is a better name, because it is more specific in describing the identity of the item. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support "Striped cone" is an equally valid translation and matches the later names. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "striped cone" per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "striped cone" per HylianAngel and Bub. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "striped cone" per above. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #39: tanuki figurine → racoon figurine, or raccoon figurine[edit]

Game appearances
DnM/DnM+/DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
					raccoon obje	Item:Tanuki figurine (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Racoon figurine (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Raccoon figurine (Doubutsu no Mori+)
たぬきのおきもの	たぬきのおきもの	たぬきのおきもの	たぬきのおきもの	たぬきのおきもの
-	racoon figurine	raccoon figurine	raccoon figurine	raccoon figurine

Comment 狸の置物 (たぬきのおきもの, tanuki no okimono) literally translates to "tanuki figurine." Tanuki are Japanese raccoon dogs. Due to the localization changing all instances of "tanuki" to "raccoon," including in the case of Tom Nook, the localization translated this item as "raccoon figurine" instead of as "tanuki figurine." HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose As much as I would like to use one of the localized names in this scenario, I think it is better to leave the name unchanged, since translating it as "raccoon figurine" is essentially erasing the original identity of the item. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose I agree, this isn't a raccoon, especially in a Japanese game. Also, a note: the rather odd name "racoon obje" appears to be a literal translation of okimono as "object", and the result of the item name character limit in Doubutsu no Mori+ being 12. We could call this "tanuki okimono" but I think "figurine" does not change or obfuscate the identity or meaning like translating some other items might. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "raccoon figurine". The internal AC name is "raccoon obje" (clearly raccoon object). This is 12 characters long which was the maximum item name length in the Japanese games. I wouldn't be surprised if this translation was done by the Japanese team to help the English translators. It also tracks with future games, so my logic for lucky cats applies here. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #40: Tanukichi's autograph card → Nook's autograph card, or Tom Nook's autograph card[edit]

Game appearances
DnM/DnM+/AC	DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
-		-	-	-	-	Item:Tanukichi's autograph card (Doubutsu no Mori e+)	Item:Nook's autograph card (Doubutsu no Mori e+) or Item:Tom Nook's autograph card (Doubutsu no Mori e+)
-	たぬきちサインしきし	-	-	-	-
-	-	-	-	-	-
			-
たぬきちしゃしんたて		たぬきちのしゃしん	-	たぬきちのしゃしん	たぬきちのしゃしん
Nook's portrait		Tom Nook's pic	-	Tom Nook's pic	Tom Nook's photo
-	-	-	-
-	-	-	-	しきし	しきし
-	-	-	-	autograph cards	autograph cards

Comment (The item in question is in row 1; row 2 is showcased for comparison since it shares some of its Japanese name and has appeared in Animal Crossing for GameCube, and row 3 is showcased since it shares some of its Japanese name.) たぬきちサイン色紙 (たぬきちサインしきし, Tanukichi sain shikishi) literally translates to "Tanukichi autograph card." "Tanukichi" is Tom Nook's Japanese name, which is a play on tanuki, his species. The current item name is using "Tanukichi" instead of "Nook" or "Tom Nook," although all names are equally valid. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose Although either the usage of Tom Nook's English or Japanese name is equally valid, and although I wouldn't really mind if this item utilized either "Nook's autograph card" or "Tom Nook's autograph card," I slightly oppose due to the fact that the item has the word "Tanukichi" (たぬきち) written upon it. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support for "Tom Nook's autograph card". Tom Nook is Tanukichi and I think that it is more useful to identify this item's pertinence to Tom Nook than preserve the Japanese name, since it isn't a uniquely Japanese concept. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "Tom Nook's autograph card" per Chubby Bub. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "Tom Nook's autograph card". I see no reason to use the Japanese name for Tom Nook, especially because not many Western fans of the series know him as Tanukichi. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "Nook's autograph card". I agree with Chubby Bub, but due to Nook's portrait I would prefer the shorter name. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #41: tea dresser → tea tansu[edit]

Game appearances
DnM/DnM+/DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-			-	tea tansu	Item:Tea dresser (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Tea tansu (Doubutsu no Mori+)
ちゃだんす	-	ちゃだんす	ちゃだんす	-
-	-	tea tansu	tea tansu	-

Comment 茶箪笥 (ちゃだんす, cha dansu) literally translates to "tea dresser." The localizations of 箪笥 (dansu / tansu) for the stair dresser and Japanese dresser have been translated as "dresser." However, the localization decided to leave it as the original Japanese terminology for this item only. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose As much as I would like to use the localized name in this scenario, I think it is better to leave the name unchanged, because directly translating だんす (dansu) for only 2/3 items is not consistent. If the localizated names are inconsistent, that's fine, and it's up to the official lozalization teams. But there isn't much benefit in syncing the community-translated name with the localized name in this scenario, even though (tansu)/dresser are interchangeable. All 3 should be "dresser," or all 3 should be "tansu." HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support Well, I do think all 3 should be "tansu" as explained above, but this one particularly. This is an example of a tansu that is not a dresser. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support per Chubby Bub. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "tea tansu" per Bub. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support per above. I would prefer "tea dresser", however later games specify this as "tansu". Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #42: traffic guidance robot → robotic flagman, or safety robot[edit]

Game appearances
DnM/DnM+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-	-	-		robotic flagman	Item:Traffic guidance robot (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Robotic flagman (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Safety robot (Doubutsu no Mori+)
こうつうゆうどうロボ	-	-	-	こうつうゆうどうのふく
-	-	-	-	safety vest

Comment 交通誘導 (こうつうゆうどう, koutsūyūdou) literally translates to "traffic guidance," a role served by traffic guards. However, the localization translates the word as "safety" in regards to the New Horizons clothing item, while the unused internal translation uses the term "flagman," neither of which are accurate translations. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose The current name for the robot seems fine and probably does not need to be changed. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose I see no reason to change it. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #43: Tsukimi dango → moon dumpling, or dango[edit]

Game appearances
DnM+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-				moon dumpling	Item:Tsukimi dango (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Moon dumpling (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Dango (Doubutsu no Mori+)
つきみだんご	-	つきみだんご	つきみだんご	つきみだんご
-	-	dango	dango	dango

Comment Dango are a type of Japanese dumplings, of which Tsukimi dango are a specific variety eaten at Tsukimi (the Harvest Moon Festival). As can be seen on the Wikipedia page, there are many other varieties of dango. Although in all games the Japanese name is "Tsukimi dango", because the item is obtained in celebration of the Tsukimi festival, the localization opted to exclude the Tsukimi specifier. So it's another case of choosing to keep the more specific Japanese name, or omitting it to conform with localizations. - unsigned comment from Chubby Bub (talk • contribs)

Oppose As much as I would like to use the localized name in this scenario, I think it is better to leave the name unchanged, since "Tsukimi dango" is a specific type of dango. The unused internal name is also not exactly accurate. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose for the same reasons, to preserve the identity and name of the item. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Comment So the title of this section is "Item #43: Tsukimi dango → moon dumpling, or dango", but the suggested names listed are "Item:Tsukimi dango (Doubutsu no Mori+)"/"Item:Dango (Doubutsu no Mori+)". Was that intentional? -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Comment Nah, that was a typo. Fixed now! HylianAngel (talk) 20:04, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. It should also be trivial to find this item since it still contains 'dango' in its name. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #44: wastebasket → trash can[edit]

Game appearances
DnM/DnM+/DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
				-	trash can	Item:Wastebasket (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Trash can (Doubutsu no Mori+)
くずかご	くずかご	くずかご	くずかご	-
-	trash can	trash can	trash can	-

Comment 屑籠 (くずかご, kuzukago) literally translates to either "wastepaper basket" or "wastebasket." However, the localization translated it as "trash can" instead. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose The current name is fine. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Oppose I also agree with HylianAngel on this one. "wastebasket" is a better translation than "trash can". Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose per above. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support While I agree that "wastebasket" is the proper translation, I would be remised if I didn't follow my previous logic. Trash can is clearly an acceptable localization for this, even if a bit misleading. Furthermore, it is continually localized as "trash can" in later games. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #45: wooden crate → wooden box[edit]

Game appearances
DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
					Item:Wooden crate (Doubutsu no Mori e+)	Item:Wooden box (Doubutsu no Mori e+)
きばこ	きばこ	きばこ	きばこ	きばこ
-	wooden box	wooden box	wooden box	wooden box

Comment This is essentially the same item between all its appearances (although the FRAGILE stamp was removed after Wild World), and the Japanese name remains the same, きばこ. Obviously "crate" and "box" are not very dissimilar, and it seems to be that きばこ (木箱 in kanji) can refer to either a large wooden crate used for transportation, like this one, or a smaller wooden box for other purposes. But without context, it probably would just be translated as "wooden box", since that applies to both. - unsigned comment from Chubby Bub (talk • contribs) .

Support I like that it matches the localization for consistency. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support for the reasons I said in my comment when working on this page. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Oppose; "crate" and "box" are not exactly synonymous, and this item's appearance better resembles what would be called a crate. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support per Bub. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Neutral I have no opinion here. Both "wooden crate" and "wooden box" have good arguments for use. I personally prefer "wooden crate" because it's clearly a crate. However, future games don't think so, and a crate *can* be a box. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Item #46: worn-out mud wall → worn-out dirt wall, or dirt-clod wall[edit]

Game appearances
DnM/DnM+/DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	-				Item:Worn-out mud wall (Doubutsu no Mori+)	Item:Worn-out dirt wall (Doubutsu no Mori+) or Item:Dirt-clod wall (Doubutsu no Mori+)
ボロいつちかべ	-	ボロいつちかべ	ボロいつちかべ	ボロいつちかべ
-	-	dirt-clod wall	dirt-clod wall	dirt-clod wall

Comment The current name of the item, "worn-out mud wall", is the literal translation of the name ボロいつちかべ. The item has this Japanese name in all games but also is called "dirt-clod wall" in all English localizations. They're not exactly the same but they both convey the nature of the wall. - unsigned comment from Chubby Bub (talk • contribs)

Comment ボロい土壁 (ボロいつちかべ)
ボロい = raggedy; crumbling; worn-out; shabby-looking
つち = earth; soil; dirt; mud
かべ = wall
Technically this item could be translated as "worn-out dirt wall," and it's an equally valid translation. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Support Between "worn-out dirt wall" and "dirt-clod wall," I vote for "worn-out dirt wall," since it's an equally valid translation while being a slight step towards the localized name. I would prefer not to use the localization because it slightly changes the meaning of the original Japanese name. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

I also Support "worn-out dirt wall". Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Neutral; I don't really have an opinion either way. I think both the current name and "worn-out dirt wall" are fine. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:33, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support per Chubby Bub. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Support "dirt-clod wall". Mud and dirt-clod are a somewhat equal translation. My prior logic concerning future game trends stands here. I do agree that dropping "worn-out" makes it less accurate. Nevertheless, I still prefer "dirt-clod wall" in this case. Cuyler (talk) 20:15, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Current votes[edit]

As of 02:41, February 17, 2023 (EST).

#	Items	Proposed name	Votes	Users
1	alcove	alcove (no change)	1	HylianAngel
1	alcove	tokonoma	4	Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
2	apple cardboard	apple cardboard (no change)	0
2	apple cardboard	apple cardboard box	5	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
3	mandarin cardboard	mandarin cardboard (no change)	0
		tangerine cardboard	0
		orange cardboard	0
		mandarin cardboard box	4	Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
		tangerine cardboard box	1	HylianAngel
		orange cardboard box	0
4	spring championship pennant	spring championship pennant (no change)	5	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, Cuyler, PanchamBro
4	spring championship pennant	spring champion's pennant	0
5	autumn championship pennant	autumn championship pennant (no change)	5	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
		fall championship pennant	0
		fall champion's pennant	0
		autumn champion's pennant	0
6	barricade	barricade (no change)	5	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
		saw horse	0
		sawhorse	0
		safety barrier	0
7	basket goal	basket goal (no change)	0
		basketball goal	0
		basketball hoop	5	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
8	bass boat-wrap sushi	bass boat-wrap sushi (no change)	5	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
		bass boat	0
		bass sushi platter	0
9	bath chairs	bath chairs (no change)	4	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, Cuyler
		spa chair	0
		spa chairs	0
		bath stool	0
		bath stools	1	PanchamBro
10	bathhouse tile floor	bathhouse tile floor (no change)	3	HylianAngel, AlexBot2004, Cuyler
		bath tile	0
		bathhouse tile	2	PanchamBro, Chubby Bub
11	bean-throwing set	bean-throwing set (no change)	5	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
		bean set	0
		bean-tossing kit	0
12+13	beckoning cat beckoning black cat	beckoning cat (no change) beckoning black cat (no change)	1	HylianAngel
		lucky cat lucky black cat	1	Cuyler
		maneki-neko black maneki-neko	3	AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Chubby Bub
14	big-haul flag	big-haul flag (no change)	0
		big catch flag	0
		big-catch flag	5	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
		fishing-boat flag	0
15	cabriole-leg bathtub	cabriole-leg bathtub (no change)	0
		clawfoot bathtub	1	HylianAngel
		claw-foot tub	1	Chubby Bub
		claw-foot bathtub	2	AlexBot2004, Cuyler
		clawfoot tub	0
16	cracker	cracker (no change)	0
16	cracker	party popper	4	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, PanchamBro, Cuyler
17-19	daruma mini daruma certain-victory daruma	daruma (no change) mini daruma (no change) certain-victory daruma (no change)	5	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
		dharma mini-dharma giant dharma	0
		dharma mini dharma giant dharma	0
20	folding screen	folding screen (no change)	5	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
20	folding screen	screen	0
21	Jōmon pottery	Jōmon pottery (no change)	5	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
21	Jōmon pottery	Jomon pottery	0
22+23	light brown drum can red drum can	light brown drum can (no change) red drum can (no change)	1	HylianAngel
		brown drum red drum	4	Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
		brown oil drum red oil drum	0
		brown oil barrel red oil barrel	0
24	morning assembly stand	morning assembly stand (no change)	5	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
		stepstool	0
		platform	0
25	N cube shirt	N cube shirt (no change)	1	AlexBot2004
		N logo shirt	1	Cuyler
		N-cube shirt	1	Chubby Bub
26	New Year's Eve noodles	New Year's Eve noodles (no change)	1	HylianAngel
		long-life noodle	0
		New Year's noodles	1	Cuyler
		toshikoshi soba	3	AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Chubby Bub
27	New Year's food	New Year's food (no change)	0
27	New Year's food	osechi	5	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
28	pail	pail (no change)	0
28	pail	garbage pail	5	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
29	Paulownia dresser	Paulownia dresser (no change)	2	HylianAngel, Cuyler
		dresser	0
		paulownia closet	0
		Paulownia closet	0
		empress-tree-wood dresser	0
		Paulownia tansu	3	Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro
30	pinball table	pinball table (no change)	0
30	pinball table	pinball machine	5	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
31+32	rag chair rag desk	rag chair (no change) rag desk (no change)	1	HylianAngel
		towel chair towel desk	0
		chair with rag desk with rag	0
		chair with cloth desk with cloth	4	Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
		chair with towel desk with towel	0
33	red vending machine	red vending machine (no change)	5	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
		cola machine	0
		red drink machine	0
34	safety frog	safety frog (no change)	1	Chubby Bub
		lucky frog	1	Cuyler
		safe-return frog	3	AlexBot2004, HylianAngel, PanchamBro
		buji kaeru	0
35	sewing box	sewing box (no change)	5	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
35	sewing box	sturdy sewing box	0
36	shakōkidogū	shakōkidogū (no change)	5	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
36	shakōkidogū	spaceman	0
37	staircase dresser	staircase dresser (no change)	0
		tansu	0
		stair dresser	2	HylianAngel, Cuyler
		stair tansu	3	Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro
38	striped pylon	striped pylon (no change)	0
		striped cone	5	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
		striped traffic cone	0
39	tanuki figurine	tanuki figurine (no change)	4	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro
		racoon figurine	0
		raccoon figurine	1	Cuyler
40	Tanukichi's autograph card	Tanukichi's autograph card (no change)	1	HylianAngel
		Nook's autograph card	1	Cuyler
		Tom Nook's autograph card	3	Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro
41	tea dresser	tea dresser (no change)	1	HylianAngel
41	tea dresser	tea tansu	4	Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
42	traffic guidance robot	traffic guidance robot (no change)	5	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro, Cuyler
		robotic flagman	0
		safety robot	0
43	Tsukimi dango	Tsukimi dango (no change)	4	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, Cuyler
		moon dumpling	0
		dango	0
44	wastebasket	wastebasket (no change)	4	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, AlexBot2004, PanchamBro
44	wastebasket	trash can	1	Cuyler
45	wooden crate	wooden crate (no change)	1	AlexBot2004
45	wooden crate	wooden box	3	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, PanchamBro
46	worn-out mud wall	worn-out mud wall (no change)	0
		worn-out dirt wall	3	HylianAngel, Chubby Bub, PanchamBro
		dirt-clod wall	1	Cuyler

Discussion[edit]

Here is a summary of the items I'm in Support of moving:
More specific in describing the identity of the item:
- apple cardboard → apple cardboard box
- mandarin cardboard → tangerine cardboard box
- basket goal → basketball hoop
- cracker → party popper
- pail → garbage pail
- pinball table → pinball machine
- striped pylon → striped cone

Alternate but equally valid translation that serves some type of benefit:
- big-haul flag → big-catch flag
- cabriole-leg bathtub → clawfoot bathtub
- New Year's food → osechi
- safety frog → safe-return frog
- staircase dresser → stair dresser
- wooden crate → wooden box
- worn-out mud wall → worn-out dirt wall

The other name changes I Oppose because I feel they either alter the original name meaning too much or are not necessary. HylianAngel (talk) 16:19, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Here are my preferences on changes summarized: More accurate/specific names and translations:

apple cardboard → apple cardboard box
mandarin cardboard → mandarin cardboard box
basket goal → basketball hoop
bathhouse tile floor → bathhouse tile or keep as is
big-haul flag → big-catch flag
cabriole-leg bathtub → claw-foot tub
cracker → party popper
light brown drum can → brown drum
red drum can → red drum
pail → garbage pail
pinball table → pinball machine
rag chair → chair with cloth
rag desk → desk with cloth
striped pylon → striped cone
Tanukichi's autograph card → Tom Nook's autograph card
wooden crate → wooden box
worn-out mud wall → worn-out dirt wall

Preserves the unique Japanese identity of the item (I would prefer romanizations than translations):

alcove → tokonoma
beckoning cat → maneki-neko or keep as beckoning cat
beckoning black cat → black maneki-neko or black beckoning cat
daruma (keep as is)
New Year's Eve noodles → toshikoshi soba or keep as is
New Year's food → osechi
Paulownia dresser → Paulownia tansu
safety frog → buji kaeru or safe return frog/safe-return frog
shakōkidogu (keep as is)
staircase dresser → stair tansu
tanuki figurine (keep as is)
tea dresser → tea tansu
Tsukimi dango (keep as is)

The rest are fine as is, except I remain conflicted on N-cube/N-logo shirt. Chubby Bub (talk) 06:51, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Summary of my votes

Change name:

alcove → tokonoma
apple cardboard → apple cardboard box
mandarin cardboard → mandarin cardboard box
basket goal → basketball hoop
lucky cat → maneki-neko
lucky black cat → black maneki-neko
big-haul flag → big-catch flag
cabriole-leg bathtub → claw-foot bathtub
red drum can → red drum
light brown drum can → brown drum
New Year's Eve noodles → toshikoshi soba
New Year's food → osechi
pail → garbage pail
Paulownia dresser → Paulownia tansu
pinball table → pinball machine
rag chair → chair with cloth
rag desk → desk with cloth
safety frog → safe-return frog
staircase dresser → stair tansu
striped pylon → striped cone
Tanukichi's autograph card → Tom Nook's autograph card
tea dresser → tea tansu

Keep name as is:

spring championship pennant
autumn championship pennant
barricade
bass boat-wrap sushi
bath chairs
bathhouse tile floor
bean-throwing set
mini daruma
daruma
certain-victory daruma
folding screen
Jōmon pottery
morning assembly stand
N cube shirt
red vending machine
sewing box
shakōkidogū
tanuki figurine
traffic guidance robot
Tsukimi dango
wastebasket
wooden crate

Unsure/neutral

cracker
worn-out mud wall

~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:45, January 11, 2023 (EST)

My votes:

Support: alcove → tokonoma
Support: apple cardboard → apple cardboard box
Support: mandarin cardboard → mandarin cardboard box
Oppose: spring championship pennant → spring champion's pennant
Oppose: autumn championship pennant → fall championship pennant, fall champion's pennant, or autumn champion's pennant
Oppose: barricade → saw horse, sawhorse, or safety barrier
Support: basket goal → basketball hoop
Oppose: bass boat-wrap sushi → bass boat, or bass sushi platter
Support: bath chairs → bath stool(s)
Oppose: bean-throwing set → bean set, or bean-tossing kit
Support: bathhouse tile floor → bathhouse tile
Oppose: bean-throwing set → bean set, or bean-tossing kit
Support: beckoning (black) cat → (black) maneki-neko
Support: big-haul flag → big-catch flag
Undecided: cabriole-leg bathtub → clawfoot bathtub, or claw-foot tub
Support: cracker → party popper
Oppose: daruma → dharma
Oppose: folding screen → screen
Oppose: Jōmon pottery → Jomon pottery
Support: light brown drum can → brown drum, red drum can → red drum
Oppose: morning assembly stand → stepstool, or platform
Undecided: N cube shirt → N logo shirt
Support: New Year's Eve noodles → toshikoshi soba
Support: New Year's food → osechi
Support: pail → garbage pail
Support: Paulownia dresser → Paulownia tansu
Support: pinball table → pinball machine
Support: rag chair/desk → chair/desk with cloth
Oppose: red vending machine → cola machine, or red drink machine
Support: safety frog → safe-return frog
Oppose: sewing box → sturdy sewing box
Oppose: shakōkidogū → spaceman
Support: staircase dresser → stair tansu
Support: striped pylon → striped cone
Oppose: tanuki figurine → racoon figurine, or raccoon figurine
Support: Tanukichi's autograph card → Tom Nook's autograph card
Support: tea dresser → tea tansu
Oppose: traffic guidance robot → robotic flagman, or safety robot
Undecided: Tsukimi dango → moon dumpling, or dango
Oppose: wastebasket → trash can
Support: wooden crate → wooden box
Support: worn-out mud wall → worn-out dirt wall

-- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:41, January 11, 2023 (EST)

Update: HylianAngel reminded me of this discussion on the Discord, so I had a look over it and would like to change a few of my votes.

I'm the only person currently doing this, but when I support two options equally, I think my name can be counted on both in the above table. I'm not voting twice for the same name, I'm indicating my equal support for two names and lack of support for others. That said, that recommendation is for anyone else who might wish to support two options; all my following votes are actually making up my mind on this.

I support only "bathhouse tile", because all the items called タイルのゆか in Japanese are simply called "tile" in the English games, and this does not change the meaning.
I Support only "toshikoshi soba", since this item is a uniquely Japanese food, and while its name means "New Year's Eve noodles" (note, not just "New Year's"), even in English contexts it's never called this.
The same goes for only Supporting maneki-neko. In the context of Doubutsu no Mori e+, this is not a lucky cat, it is a maneki-neko. And I think translating it to "beckoning cat" ruins the point of that.
Though my mind could be changed on this, I'm casting Support for "N-cube shirt", since while the GC items did, this item did not receive an official translation and "N logo" changes the meaning.
On the frog item: someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that while frog statues (or other frog things) like this exist in Japan alongside the buji kaeru pun, buji kaeru does not refer to an item with a particular identity like maneki-neko, toshikoshi soba or tansu. As such, I am tentati changing my vote to Oppose and keep "safety frog". Why not "safe-return frog" like I said earlier? Well, ぶじ (無事) means safe, or safety. かえる either means 帰る (return) or カエル (frog). So the item's name either means "safe return"/"return safely" or "safety frog" I also saw a website translating the pun as "No Mishaps Frog". So while the frog is meant to represent a safe return, since the name of the item is using kaeru as a noun to mean "frog", the "return" part is implied by the item but not in the name.

I'd also like to reiterate that calling the tea tansu and stair tansu "dressers" is incorrect (even if New Horizons does so for the latter), and calling the Paulownia tansu a "dresser" is technically correct, but is a generalization that removes its identity.

One last thing I'd like to say is, remember: no matter what we end up going with, redirects can exist for alternate translations, and these pages all have Template:No Localization at the top, which allows for either the indication that a translation or future localization is being used. Furthermore, if a translation is used, it may be appropriate to indicate names from future localizations in the lead, but that's a discussion for another time. Chubby Bub (talk) 01:57, February 17, 2023 (EST)

It's been a few months, so I went ahead and moved all of the item pages to the new locations with the majority votes. This page won't be used for voting purposes anymore, but if you still want to argue the case for a new name for a specific item, you can go to that item's talk page and post a new discussion. Even though this page won't be used anymore, you can still browse it for data purposes. HylianAngel (talk) 03:14, March 11, 2023 (EST)

Addendum[edit]

As mentioned in the previous discussion, the items in Category:Items with no English localization can be generalized into 4 groups:

The item reappears in a later game entry. Its translation on Nookipedia is different from a later game entry. (46 items)
The item reappears in a later game entry. Its translation on Nookipedia is already identical to its name in a later game entry. (31 items)
The item does not reappear in a later game entry. (27 items)
The item does not exactly fit in the previous 3 groups due to major changes with the Japanese name/design in later game entries. (6 items)

Group 1 items were addressed in the previous discussion. Groups 2, 3, and 4 items were not addressed earlier; they are listed here for posterity. HylianAngel (talk) 16:22, January 9, 2023 (EST)

Group 2[edit]

Items with a Nookipedia name that is already identical to the localized name in a later game entry.

Furniture, wallpaper, flooring, and other items[edit]

Current name	Unused internal AC name	Game appearances
		DnM	DnM+	DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
		Item:Bath mat (Doubutsu no Mori+)	bath mat				-			-
				おふろマット			-	おふろマット	おふろマット	-
				-			-	bath mat	bath mat	-
		Item:Bathhouse wall (Doubutsu no Mori+)					-	-
				せんとうのかべ			-	-	せんとうのかべ	せんとうのかべ
-				-	-	bathhouse wall	bathhouse wall
Item:Bathtub (Doubutsu no Mori+)	spa tub					-
		ゆぶね			-	ゆぶね	ゆぶね	スクエアなバスタブ
		-			-	bathtub	bathtub	square bathtub
Item:Blue kotatsu (Doubutsu no Mori+)	blue kotatsu				-
		あおいこたつ			-	あおいこたつ	こたつ (青い布団)	こたつ (井桁)
		-			-	blue kotatsu	kotatsu (Blue blanket)	kotatsu (Well-frame pattern (Igeta))
Item:Bucket (Doubutsu no Mori+)	bucket				-
		おけ			-	おけ	おけ	せんめんき (イエロー - 文字)
		-			-	bucket	bucket	bath bucket (Yellow - Text)
Item:Dart board (Doubutsu no Mori e+)		-
		-		ダーツボード	ダーツボード	ダーツボード	ダーツボード	ダーツボード
		-		-	dart board	dart board	dartboard	dartboard
Item:Decorative plate (Doubutsu no Mori e+)		-			-	-
		-		えざら	-	-	おおきなえざら	おおきなえざら
		-		-	-	-	decorative plate (Bird)	decorative plate (Black - Bird)
Item:Drum set (Doubutsu no Mori e+)		-			-	-
		-		ドラムセット	-	-	ドラムセット	ドラムセット
		-		-	-	-	drum set	drum set
Item:Fire hydrant (Doubutsu no Mori e+)		-
		-		しょうかせん	しょうかせん	しょうかせん	しょうかせん	しょうかせん
		-		-	fire hydrant	fire hydrant	fire hydrant	fire hydrant
Item:Hearth (Doubutsu no Mori+)	hearth
		いろり			いろり	いろり	いろり	いろり
		-			hearth	hearth	hearth	hearth
Item:Helm (Doubutsu no Mori e+)		-
		-		かじ	かじ	かじ	かじ	かいぞくのかじ
		-		-	helm	helm	helm	pirate-ship helm
Item:Hibachi (Doubutsu no Mori+)	hibachi				-			-
		ひばち			-	ひばち	ひばち	-
		-			-	hibachi	hibachi	-
Item:Kadomatsu (Doubutsu no Mori+)	kadomatsu				-
		かどまつ			-	かどまつ	かどまつ	かどまつ
		-			-	kadomatsu	kadomatsu	kadomatsu
Item:Kagamimochi (Doubutsu no Mori+)	kagamimochi				-
		かがみもち			-	かがみもち	かがみもち	かがみもち
		-			-	kagamimochi	kagamimochi	kagamimochi
Item:Lovely painting (Doubutsu no Mori+)		-		-		-	-	-
		-	うるわしきめいが	-	うるわしきめいが	-	-	-
		-	-	-	lovely painting	-	-	-
Item:Massage chair (Doubutsu no Mori+)	massage chair
		マッサージいす			マッサージいす	マッサージいす	マッサージいす	レトロなマッサージチェア
		-			massage chair	massage chair	massage chair	retro massage chair
Item:Medicine (Doubutsu no Mori e+)		-
		-		おクスリ	おくすり	おくすり	おくすり	おくすり
		-		-	medicine	medicine	medicine	medicine
Item:Milk case (Doubutsu no Mori+)	milk fridge				-			-
		ぎゅうにゅうケース			-	ぎゅうにゅうケース	ぎゅうにゅうケース	-
		-			-	milk case	milk case	-
Item:Mummy's casket (Doubutsu no Mori e+)		-						-
		-		ミイラのひつぎ	ミイラのひつぎ	ミイラのひつぎ	ミイラのひつぎ	-
		-		-	mummy's casket	mummy's casket	mummy's casket	-
Item:Old board floor (Doubutsu no Mori+)					-			-
		ふるいいたまのゆか			-	ふるいいたまのゆか	ふるいいたまのゆか	-
		-			-	old board floor	old board floor
Item:Paper lantern (Doubutsu no Mori+)	paper lantern				-
		あんどん			-	あんどん	あんどん	あんどん
		-			-	paper lantern	paper lantern	paper lantern
Item:Pink kotatsu (Doubutsu no Mori+)	pink kotatsu				-
		ピンクのこたつ			-	ピンクのこたつ	こたつ (ピンクの布団)	こたつ (花)
		-			-	pink kotatsu	kotatsu (Pink blanket)	kotatsu (Flowers)
Item:Rocking horse (Doubutsu no Mori e+)		-
		-		もくば	もくば	もくば	もくば	もくば
		-		-	rocking horse	rocking horse	rocking horse	rocking horse
Item:Scarecrow (Doubutsu no Mori e+)		-
		-		かかし	かかし	かかし	かかし	かかし
		-		-	scarecrow	scarecrow	scarecrow	scarecrow
Item:School chair (Doubutsu no Mori+)	school chair			-	-
		がっこうのイス		-	-	がっこうのイス	がっこうのイス	がっこうのイス
		-		-	-	school chair	school chair	school chair
Item:School desk (Doubutsu no Mori+)	school desk			-	-
		がっこうのつくえ		-	-	がっこうのつくえ	がっこうのつくえ	がっこうのつくえ
		-		-	-	school desk	school desk	school desk
Item:Shogi board (Doubutsu no Mori+)	shogi board				-			-
		しょうぎばん			-	しょうぎばん	しょうぎばん	-
		-			-	shogi board	shogi board	-
Item:Shower (Doubutsu no Mori e+)		-
		-		シャワー	シャワー	シャワー	シャワー	シャワーセット
		-		-	shower	shower	shower	shower set
Item:Tea table (Doubutsu no Mori+)	tea table							-
		ちゃぶだい			ちゃぶだい	ちゃぶだい	ちゃぶだい	-
		-			tea table	tea table	tea table	-
Item:Wash station (Doubutsu no Mori+)	faucet				-			-
		あらいば			-	あらいば	あらいば	-
		-			-	washbasin	wash station	-

Stationery[edit]

While the danger paper (キケンなびんせん, kiken na binsen) technically never reappears in another game entry outside of Doubutsu no Mori and Doubutsu no Mori+, it shares its base name, "danger" (キケン, kiken), with the haz-mat barrel (キケンなドラムかん, kiken na doramu kan) in Animal Crossing, Wild World, and City Folk, and the oil barrel (Danger) (ドラムかん (きけん), doramu kan (kiken)) in New Leaf. So the word kiken is translated in some official capacity as "danger" in New Leaf.

Current Name	Game appearances
Current Name	DnM/DnM+	AC/DnMe+	WW	CF	NL
Item:Danger paper (Doubutsu no Mori+)		-	-	-	-
	キケンなびんせん	-	-	-	-
	-	-	-	-	-

	-	キケンなドラムかん	キケンなドラムかん	キケンなドラムかん	ドラムかん (きけん)
	-	haz-mat barrel	haz-mat barrel	haz-mat barrel	oil barrel (Danger)

Group 3[edit]

Items that never appear again after DnM/DnM+/DnMe+.

Gray cells indicate a leftover dummy item with an unused name that is still in the game's data, but has been removed from gameplay. Note that in Doubutsu no Mori e+ all dummy items have names in the code, but will always display as かぐ? ("furniture?") when put into gameplay. Hexadecimal IDs are included for clarity.

Note: the washbasin item is different from the one in the Dr.'s Office Set (washbasin in New Leaf) and the one in the Spa Theme (washbasin in City Folk, wash station in Animal Crossing and New Leaf)

Furniture[edit]

Current name	Game appearances
	DnM	DnM+	AC		DnMe+
	DnM	DnM+	replacement	added item	replacement	added item
	Item:Graffiti desk (Doubutsu no Mori+)
		らくがきのつくえ	らくがきのつくえ	graffiti desk	flip-top desk	らくがきのつくえ	らくがきのデスク
		1204	1204	1204	3278	1204	32B8
Item:Sturdy school chair (Doubutsu no Mori+)				-		-
	ゴツイがっこうのイス	ゴツイがっこうのイス	heavy chair	-	ゴツイがっこうのイス	-
	1240	1240	1240	-	1240	-
Item:Fence (Doubutsu no Mori+)				-		-
	フェンス	フェンス	fence	-	フェンス	-
	1434	1434	1434	-	1434	-
Item:Fence with vinyl (Doubutsu no Mori+)				-		-
	ビニールつきフェンス	ビニールつきフェンス	plastic fence	-	ビニールつきフェンス	-
	1438	1438	1438	-	1438	-
Item:Fence with signboard (Doubutsu no Mori+)				-		-
	カンバンつきフェンス	カンバンつきフェンス	fence and sign	-	カンバンつきフェンス	-
	143C	143C	143C	-	143C	-
Item:Drink vending machine (Doubutsu no Mori+)				-		-
	ドリンクじはんき	ドリンクじはんき	juice machine	-	ドリンクじはんき	-
	1458	1458	1458	-	1458	-
Item:Bujian washbasin (Doubutsu no Mori+)				-		-
	ふせんちょうずばち	ふせんちょうずばち	zen basin	-	ふせんちょうずばち	-
	1490	1490	1490	-	1490	-
Item:Washbasin (Doubutsu no Mori+)				-		-
	ちょうずばち	ちょうずばち	wash basin	-	ちょうずばち	-
	1498	1498	1498	-	1498	-
Item:Electrical sign (Doubutsu no Mori+)				-		-
	でんこうサイン	でんこうサイン	warning sign	-	でんこうサイン	-
	14A0	14A0	14A0	-	14A0	-
Item:Detour signboard (Doubutsu no Mori+)
	うかいカンバン	うかいカンバン	route sign	detour sign	うかいカンバン	うかいひょうしき
	14B0	14B0	14B0	31F8	14B0	3238
Item:Long washbasin (Doubutsu no Mori+)				-		-
	ながちょうずばち	ながちょうずばち	temple basin	-	ながちょうずばち	-
	14BC	14BC	14BC	-	14BC	-
Item:Clerk's booth (Doubutsu no Mori+)				-		-
	ばんだい	ばんだい	clerk's booth	-	ばんだい	-
	1564	1564	1564	-	1564	-
Item:Gomoku Narabe (Doubutsu no Mori+)	-			-		-
	-	ごもくならべ	Soccer	-	サッカー	-
	-	1DD8	1DD8	-	1E18	-
Item:Mahjong (Doubutsu no Mori+)	-			-		-
	-	まーじゃん	Excitebike	-	エキサイトバイク	-
	-	1DDC	1DDC	-	1E1C	-
Item:Three-foot ball (Doubutsu no Mori+)	-
	-	さんしゃくだま	mortar ball	bottle rocket	さんしゃくだま	ロケットはなび
	-	308C	308C	31F0	30CC	3230
Item:Kamakura hibachi (Doubutsu no Mori+)	-
	-	かまくらのひばち	hibachi grill	chowder	かまくらのひばち	シチューなべ
	-	31BC	31BC	33C0	31FC	3400

Items only in Doubutsu no Mori e+[edit]

Since these items first and only appeared in Doubutsu no Mori e+, they have no leftover name in Animal Crossing and no localization in later games. Note that the princess bed is a different item in both Japanese name and appearance from the one in later games' Princess Series.

jumping boy
とびだしぼうや
princess bed
おひめさまベッド
shop signboard
しょうてんのカンバン

Paintings[edit]

Current name	Game appearances
	DnM	DnM+		AC		DnMe+
	DnM	replacement	added item	replacement	added item	replacement	added item
	Item:Dreadful painting (Doubutsu no Mori)
		おそるべきめいが	うるわしきめいが	おそるべきめいが	basic painting	scary painting	いさましいめいが	おそるべきめいが
		12B0	12B0	31D8	12B0	31D8	12B0	31D8
DnM: Item:Novel painting (Doubutsu no Mori) DnM+: Item:Healing painting (Doubutsu no Mori+)
	ざんしんなめいが	いやされるめいが	ざんしんなめいが	scary painting	novel painting	いなせなめいが	ざんしんなめいが
	12B4	12B4	31DC	12B4	31DC	12B4	31DC

Clothing[edit]

Clothing items were all directly replaced, but the names of the placed furniture versions of the clothing (whose names can never be seen in-game) were left over and even localized.

Current name	Game appearances
	DnM		DnM+		AC		DnMe+
	furniture	clothing	furniture	clothing	furniture	clothing	furniture	clothing
	Item:Tomato juice shirt (Doubutsu no Mori+)
		トマトジュースのふく	トマトジュースのふく	トマトジュースのふく	トマトジュースのふく	tomato shirt	fish bone shirt	トマトジュースのふく	さかなのほねのふく
		18D8	244B	18D8	244B	18D8	244B	18D8	244B
Item:Familiar shirt (Doubutsu no Mori+)
	みたことあるセーター	みたことあるセーター	みたことあるセーター	みたことあるセーター	zig-zag shirt	fortune shirt	みたことあるセーター	だいきちのふく
	1950	2469	1950	2469	1950	2469	1950	2469
DnM: Item:I love 64 shirt (Doubutsu no Mori) DnM+: Item:I love GC shirt (Doubutsu no Mori+)
	アイラブ64 のふく	アイラブ64 のふく	アイラブ64 のふく	アイラブGC のふく	GCN shirt	cherry shirt	アイラブ64 のふく	さくらんぼのふく
	1AA8	24BF	1AA8	24BF	1AA8	24BF	1AA8	24BF
Item:W shirt (Doubutsu no Mori+)
	Wのふく	Wのふく	Wのふく	Wのふく	W shirt	houndstooth tee	Wのふく	セピアなちどりごうし
	1A84	24B6	1A84	24B6	1A84	24B6	1A84	24B6
Party dress (unused item)
	パーティードレス	パーティードレス	パーティードレス	あかのアロハ	red aloha shirt	red aloha shirt	パーティードレス	あかのアロハ
	1814	241A	1814	241A	1814	241A	1814	241A
Tuxedo (unused item) (appears in later games, included for comprehensiveness)
	タキシード	タキシード	タキシード	あおのアロハ	blue aloha shirt	blue aloha shirt	タキシード	あおのアロハ
	1818	241B	1818	241B	1818	241B	1818	241B

Group 4[edit]

Items that are special exceptions.

Identical Japanese name, significantly altered item design[edit]

Current name	Game appearances
	DnM/DnM+	AC/DnMe+	WW	CF	NL	NH
	Nice painting (Doubutsu no Mori+)		-
		いいめいが	-	いいめいが	いいめいが	いいめいが	いいめいが
		-	-	nice painting	nice painting	nice painting	nice painting
Pleasant feeling painting
	いいかんじのめいが	いいかんじのめいが	いいかんじのめいが	いいかんじのめいが	いいかんじのめいが	いいかんじのめいが
	-	classic painting	warm painting	warm painting	warm painting	warm painting

Identical item design, altered Japanese name[edit]

Current Name	Unused internal AC name	Game appearances
Current Name	Unused internal AC name	DnM/DnM+/DnMe+	NL	NH
Item:Bathhouse locker (Doubutsu no Mori+)	bath locker			-
		せんとうのロッカー	げたばこロッカー	-
		-	shoe locker	-
Item:Partitioning screen (Doubutsu no Mori+)	spa screen			-
		ついたて	レトロなついたて	-
		-	retro screen
Item:Request signboard (Doubutsu no Mori+)	caution sign		-
		おねがいカンバン	-	こうじちゅうかんばん (工事中のお詫び)
		-	-	construction sign (Ongoing work)
Item:Work ahead signboard (Doubutsu no Mori+)	men working sign		-
		てまえのカンバン	-	こうじちゅうかんばん (この先、工事中)
		-	-	construction sign (Construction ahead)

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Update the names of some of the Japanese-exclusive items[edit]

Item #1: alcove → tokonoma[edit]

Item #2: apple cardboard → apple cardboard box[edit]

Item #3: mandarin cardboard → mandarin cardboard box, tangerine cardboard (box), or orange cardboard (box)[edit]

Item #4: spring championship pennant → spring champion's pennant[edit]

Item #5: autumn championship pennant → fall championship pennant, fall champion's pennant, or autumn champion's pennant[edit]

Item #6: barricade → saw horse, sawhorse, or safety barrier[edit]

Item #7: basket goal → basketball goal, or basketball hoop[edit]

Item #8: bass boat-wrap sushi → bass boat, or bass sushi platter[edit]

Item #9: bath chairs → spa chair(s), or bath stool(s)[edit]

Item #10: bathhouse tile floor → bath tile, or bathhouse tile[edit]

Item #11: bean-throwing set → bean set, or bean-tossing kit[edit]

Items #12 and #13: beckoning (black) cat → lucky (black) cat, or (black) maneki-neko[edit]

Item #14: big-haul flag → big catch flag, big-catch flag, or fishing-boat flag[edit]

Item #15: cabriole-leg bathtub → clawfoot bathtub, claw-foot tub, claw-foot bathtub, or clawfoot tub[edit]

Item #16: cracker → party popper[edit]

Items #17-19: daruma → dharma[edit]

Item #20: folding screen → screen[edit]

Item #21: Jōmon pottery → Jomon pottery[edit]

Items #22 and #23: drum can → drum, oil drum, or oil barrel[edit]

Item #24: morning assembly stand → stepstool, or platform[edit]

Item #25: N cube shirt → N logo shirt, or N-cube shirt[edit]

Item #26: New Year's Eve noodles → long-life noodle, New Year's noodles, or toshikoshi soba[edit]

Item #27: New Year's food → osechi[edit]

Item #28: pail → garbage pail[edit]

Item #29: Paulownia dresser → dresser, Paulownia/paulownia closet, Paulownia tansu, or empress-tree-wood dresser[edit]

Item #30: pinball table → pinball machine[edit]

Item #31 and #32: rag chair/desk → towel chair/desk, chair/desk with rag, chair/desk with cloth, or chair/desk with towel[edit]

Item #33: red vending machine → cola machine, or red drink machine[edit]

Item #34: safety frog → lucky frog, safe-return frog, or buji kaeru[edit]

Item #35: sewing box → sturdy sewing box[edit]

Item #36: shakōkidogū → spaceman[edit]

Item #37: staircase dresser → tansu, stair dresser, or stair tansu[edit]

Item #38: striped pylon → striped cone, or striped traffic cone[edit]

Item #39: tanuki figurine → racoon figurine, or raccoon figurine[edit]

Item #40: Tanukichi's autograph card → Nook's autograph card, or Tom Nook's autograph card[edit]

Item #41: tea dresser → tea tansu[edit]

Item #42: traffic guidance robot → robotic flagman, or safety robot[edit]

Item #43: Tsukimi dango → moon dumpling, or dango[edit]

Item #44: wastebasket → trash can[edit]

Item #45: wooden crate → wooden box[edit]

Item #46: worn-out mud wall → worn-out dirt wall, or dirt-clod wall[edit]

Current votes[edit]

Discussion[edit]

Addendum[edit]

Group 2[edit]

Furniture, wallpaper, flooring, and other items[edit]

Stationery[edit]

Group 3[edit]

Furniture[edit]

Items only in Doubutsu no Mori e+[edit]

Paintings[edit]

Clothing[edit]

Group 4[edit]

Identical Japanese name, significantly altered item design[edit]

Identical item design, altered Japanese name[edit]

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