Talk:Forgery/New Horizons

Jolly Painting

I'm looking at the Jolly Painting on Redd's trawler right now, and it doesn't match the Genuine image in this table. There is still a yellow flower, but it has different leaves. Additionally, the pea pod making up the mouth is turned downwards instead of upwards. I think there may be multiple fakes of this painting, and possibly other paintings as well. I can attach a capture I've taken of this suspected fake if anyone would like. --99.62.91.44 17:58, April 26, 2020 (EDT)

Screenshot would be great - there has been talk about multiple fakes, however, I don't think I've seen a screenshot that wasn't cropped or something. The data in this table were datamined, so it's a little harder to believe that there are multiples, if there is only one ID for the fakes. Personally, the fakes I've had in the game were the same as the ones listed. I'm assuming you're talking about the Jolly Painting. I had this one today as well and the flower was missing. But I suppose everything is possible? I know that people are sometimes confusing NL/NH fakes when seen on the internet but that doesn't sound like your situation.. --Paviinka(Message me!) 18:48, April 26, 2020 (EDT)

Yeah, it's known that there are a few paintings that have several fakes. The Graceful Painting is another one; there's one fake where she's missing the white collar of her kimono, and another where she's looking the opposite way. However, it seems to be unique per save file (like the color variations of items in the Nook Stop), so there's been some difficulty getting a proper list of them. Thanks for your info, though! StrawberryChan (talk) 18:53, April 26, 2020 (EDT)

That is so interesting though - how does it work? How is it possible that you don't have all the data available? Does your "fake id" switch when visiting other islands? Does the visit trigger a download of the textures? You have to have them all, because if you wouldn't, the moment you receive a painting bought somewhere else, it would look different to the one purchased? Coding magic, huh. Paviinka(Message me!) 19:13, April 26, 2020 (EDT)

I'm not super sure? I know it was discussed on the Discord. Internally, there's only one ID for fake works of art as opposed to real ones, so it must be something to do with how the game sorts out its textures, yeah. Maybe the flag to determine which variation it uses is stored somewhere else? I wouldn't know, myself. StrawberryChan (talk) 19:24, April 26, 2020 (EDT)

Okay, so, I've just watched this video from Nintendo Life about Redd, and the example NL uses when discussing fakes is the Jolly Painting. Their version marked "Real" (comparison at 3:58) is the version I saw in my game-- here's my screenshot on Google Drive. However, it still looks different from Nookipedia's version presented as real. --99.62.91.44 15:06, April 27, 2020 (EDT)

Figured I'd make an account so I could get notified if there's any more discussion on this. --DominateEye (talk) 15:14, April 27, 2020 (EDT)

Alrighty, I know what's up - we don't have the screenshots/textures for the real paintings as they appear in the game - what you see in the table is the real painting, as it appears in real world. You can kinda see in the in-game icon here that the leaves don't appear as they do in real life; they're the same as in your game. here is the in-game icon for the fake. Most of the paintings don't have such subtle differences. It's something obvious at first, third glance. That being said, can I upload your screenshot cropped to the site/could you? Thanks! And enjoy your account, haha. Paviinka(Message me!) 15:22, April 27, 2020 (EDT)

Ah, right, okay. So the game's real paintings aren't guaranteed to look exactly like real life's real paintings, that's interesting. You absolutely have my permission to crop my screenshot and upload it, I'd also suggest noting at the top of this forgery table that the game's real paintings may have differences from the real-world paintings as well so people don't get confused like I did. Thanks! --DominateEye (talk) 15:26, April 27, 2020 (EDT)

(edit conflict) I did some research, and it appears the in-game New Horizons version is closer to the original article than the example we currently have on the wiki; there appears to be multiple iterations of the piece with subtle differences. It's still the real piece, though. StrawberryChan (talk) 15:29, April 27, 2020 (EDT)

Ah, you're right. The one we currently have is close to the New Leaf one, interesting that they changed the referenced iteration! Might be good idea to replace it, then. Paviinka(Message me!) 15:37, April 27, 2020 (EDT)

Scary Painting

Hey! I got the scary painting on Redd's boat and it shows his eyes like the real one but he's smiling? But the screenshot for the fake makes him look suprised/sad. Is there multiple fakes or only one? - unsigned comment from Sakura0824 (talk • contribs)

Interesting. Do you have a screenshot of the Scary you saw? The header does say that some paintings have more than one forged version. Decomposer 10:05, October 5, 2020 (EDT)

Sorry i don't have one. (my bad) But i time skipped forward then back to the day and i got the scary painting again and it looked like the one on the list so it makes sense that there could be multiple textures. Template:Sakura! | User_talk:Sakura0824 11:47, October 8, 2020 - unsigned comment from Sakura0824 (talk • contribs)

There's only 1 fake Scary Painting, it smiles during the nighttime. Other "haunted" fake pieces of art change appearance at night as well, including Ancient Statue (eyes will glow), Informative Statue (glows slightly), Graceful Painting (head faces the other direction), and Wistful Painting (eyes close). HylianAngel (talk) 00:43, February 1, 2021 (EST)

As far as I know, there is only one fake. I can't really help you with this, sorry. - unsigned comment from Cathy246 (talk • contribs)

Sunflowers always "fake"?

Sunflowers showed up on Redd's ship today and I was trying to determine independently whether it was a fake by comparing to the real artwork as it's shown on both the Vincent Van Gogh Art Museum website hosted in the Netherlands and in the Google Art Project gallery... The artist's signature is in the wrong place on the Nintendo assets. It should be below the line on the vase, not above it! Just thought that was interesting. (Who's the Redd at Nintendo?) 72.196.1.33 20:54, January 25, 2022 (EST)

Nope, it's real. What you may be referring to is this version of "Sunflower", which features the signature on the bottom. In fact, that is the version that you did see when going to the Van Gogh Art Museum website. The version of "Sunflowers" that is featured in Animal Crossing series is from the National Gallery in London. I may note this on the Flowery Painting page if I ever get to it. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 22:04, January 25, 2022 (EST)

Just wanted to note here that I've made the appropriate changes to the Flowery Painting page noting which version is used in-game.👍 Thanks for bringing this to our attention, 72.196.1.33. (talk) 14:04, January 29, 2022 (EST)