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Why are there bye weeks and bye years? [[File:Bones aF Villager Icon.png|30px|link=User:Thedarkcave]] [[File:TDCbox.png|80px|link=User:Thedarkcave]] [[File:TDCtalk.png|40px|link=User talk:Thedarkcave]] 17:10, September 1, 2020 (EDT) | Why are there bye weeks and bye years? [[File:Bones aF Villager Icon.png|30px|link=User:Thedarkcave]] [[File:TDCbox.png|80px|link=User:Thedarkcave]] [[File:TDCtalk.png|40px|link=User talk:Thedarkcave]] 17:10, September 1, 2020 (EDT) | ||
:For questions about specific topics, please use the page's talk page (e.g. Nookipedia_talk:Featured_Fanart). But to answer your question: it's because featured fanart takes time and effort, which we don't always have the capacity for. <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]]</small> 17:45, September 1, 2020 (EDT) | :For questions about specific topics, please use the page's talk page (e.g. Nookipedia_talk:Featured_Fanart). But to answer your question: it's because featured fanart takes time and effort, which we don't always have the capacity for. <b>~<i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#07517C;">Super</span>]]</i>[[User:SuperHamster|<span style="color:#6FA23B;">Hamster</span>]]</b> <small>[[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]]</small> 17:45, September 1, 2020 (EDT) | ||
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Image category organizationI noticed that there's an incomplete organizational setup involving image categories in the wiki. There seems to be a useful category, Category:Animal Crossing: New Leaf pictures (see talk page), that was left unused mostly and I questioned if it's necessary. I do think there can be use for that category, but only if other similar subcategories of images are created (e.g. Animal Crossing: New Leaf flowers), so I think we should create more categories (while also completing this category) and if those subcategories make sense.
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Any further comments and suggestions on everything written above? >Decomposerx20pxx20px 09:54, January 7, 2020 (EST) (edited 07:09, January 11, 2020 (EST))
Template:Game screenshot and Special:UncategorizedFilesIn recategorizing files, I have taken advantage of either the image categories by game (e.g., Category:New Leaf images) or the special page Special:UncategorizedFiles. An issue that I have found using this methodology is that there are images that are present in neither because they have been blanketly categorized using Template:Game screenshot and are in Category:Game Screenshots without being in any other category. Removing
Request to recategorize due to permission issuesI am unable to recategorize the following images due to permission issues, automatically or manually. Could someone else categorize them?
(For those interested in how these could be recategorized automatically, see User:Autotroph.) Help is appreciated. Enhanced artworkWhy do we have edited images of villagers as a stand-in over the original art?
Music category organizationAfter browsing Category:Music, there is a sizeable amount of music that is unsorted by sub-category, like Hourly Music, Business Themes, and so on. I'm very new to Nookipedia and wiki editing in general, but I'd love to help with this. Personally, the reason why I started lurking here years ago was to look up the music pages to find things we still don't have, like instrument descriptions and musical keys. Here are a few other ideas that may be handy as well:
Any thoughts, additions, rejections, or other considerations are greatly appreciated. HasteWaste talk 02:27, January 10, 2020 (EST)
New userbox friend wikiHello, could we create a userbox for the Doom series to add to this list Nookipedia:Userboxes#Other_Series with the logo of the series and a link to doomwiki https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Entryway which is affiliates at http://niwanetwork.org/ like wikibound, mutecity.org, bulbapedia, wikirby, zelda.gamepedia, mariowiki, metroidwiki, pikminwiki and starfoxwiki. Something that would look like this :
And Isabelle is big fan of this serie ! ThomasUnD (talk) 07:19, February 24, 2020 (EST)
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Category:Insect on Main Page
There is an image called BugButton.png, and it link to Category:Insect, although should link to Category:Bugs, as that's the actual category name. Can an admin fix that? Thanks Results May Vary (talk) 21:17, March 6, 2020 (EST)
Signatures
How do you make custom sigs? Thanks in Advance! SplatNerdBekahboo (talk) 09:43, March 20, 2020 (EDT)
Actually, no need! I figured it out. \/\/00|\/|¥/Woomy$₽|_@+|\|€R|]߀|<@|-|ß00/SplatNerdBekahboo\/€€|\/|0/Veemo (Talk) 10:45, March 27, 2020 (EDT)
Project Museum
I'm pumping life back into Project Museum. As part of this, I'll be writing up new standards for how these pages are laid out. I've written some changes I plan on making, so leave feedback if you're interested at Nookipedia_talk:Project_Museum. Thanks, ~SuperHamster Talk 02:24, March 29, 2020 (EDT)
Furniture based pages
Should we make pages about furniture, hats, and other minor stuff? I feel like this is needed. SplatNerdBekahboo (Talk) 13:29, April 3, 2020 (EDT)
- Hi there - we already cover these areas! However, some of the pages are short on info and images. Drago (talk)
13:38, April 3, 2020 (EDT)
- I meant for specific pieces of clothing and furniture and how to get them. SplatNerdBekahboo (Talk) 11:14, April 7, 2020 (EDT)
Music
We don't have a central music page, so I'll post this here. Are the names of shop themes (such as Tom Nook's Chain Jingles and Auction House Harmony) official or is it just another thing that has been made up by editors? Drago (talk) 13:36, April 6, 2020 (EDT)
- I don’t think they are, but that is just an educated guess. FLAME1232(Talk) 13:53, April 6, 2020 (EDT)
- Just made up as far as I can tell. The tracklist for the Gekijouban Doubutsu no Mori OST simply calls it "Tanuki's Shop" (Tom Nook's Shop) and tracklist for Your Favourite Songs calls the Auction House theme "The Auction House". --
Dorsal Axe (talk) 14:29, April 6, 2020 (EDT)
- Just made up as far as I can tell. The tracklist for the Gekijouban Doubutsu no Mori OST simply calls it "Tanuki's Shop" (Tom Nook's Shop) and tracklist for Your Favourite Songs calls the Auction House theme "The Auction House". --
Rename categories for Japan-only titles
I notice that we have some categories that still use "Animal Forest" in the name instead of "Doubutsu no Mori". I propose that we update/move these categories as needed in order to keep things consistent:
- Animal Forest bugs → Doubutsu no Mori bugs
- Animal Forest fish → Doubutsu no Mori fish
- Animal Forest characters → Doubutsu no Mori characters
- Animal Forest e+ bugs → Doubutsu no Mori e+ bugs
- Animal Forest e+ fish → Doubutsu no Mori e+ fish
- Animal Forest e+ characters → Doubutsu no Mori e+ characters
- Animal Crossing: The Movie characters → Doubutsu no Mori (film) characters
Additionally, we have the category Animal Forest+ fish which seems redundant. It's identical to Animal Crossing fish except for the Herabuna/Brook Trout. Personally I think it's best to lump Herabuna into this one, as we have pages already explaining the discrepancy, and the wiki has already agreed that AC/DnM+ are two regional variations of the same game. --
Dorsal Axe (talk) 09:32, April 9, 2020 (EDT)
- Nearly all the changes have been made/are in progress. I didn't make the Animal Forest+ fish change because I'm not sure the best way to deal with it. I agree that DnM+ doesn't need to appear in the appearances field for any fish... except for the exceptions (e.g. Herabuna/Brook Trout). And right now the way that the appearances field works, is that it relies on category information. So, if we removed the category information then we would need to hard code the exceptions into the template. This is easy to do, but I wanted to get some feedback/consensus on this before I did that.
(talk) 16:47, April 13, 2020 (EDT)
Grammatical and capitalization errors
Millions upon millions of grammatical and capitalization errors have been detected on this wiki, please help us to fix them. It is estimated that every page on the wiki has at least three capitalization errors.—Grammar Fixer (talk) 20:01, April 12, 2020 (EDT)
- I will try to fix every error I see. I thank you for your support. SplatNerdBekahboo (Talk) 13:29, April 13, 2020 (EDT)
- We here at Nookipedia take this issue very seriously, and we thank you for bringing it to our attention. Based on your initial estimation- 'millions upon millions' of errors, we estimate this corrective process will take around 50 years to complete. We urge those users who are particularly sensitive to grammatical inaccuracies to avoid visiting the wiki during this transition period. Thank you for your understanding. (talk) 17:00, April 13, 2020 (EDT)
Personality Names
Given that the official AC:NH guide is out some places in the world and calls Normal and Sisterly villagers Sweet and Big Sister, respectively, I would propose that the wiki switches to those names. I'm fairly certain this is the first time either name has been officially named in English. AmoongussForLife (talk) 13:11, April 16, 2020 (EDT)
- This has been the subject of much discussion recently. Various users did some digging, and we found that there have actually been quite a few different names used for these personalities over the years (and completely different English names are used in the data for New Horizons) so it's a bit of a tricky one. The general consensus is that we don't want to deviate too much from what other wikis and the community at large use, so that's something to take into consideration as well.
- Since it keeps coming up, it's probably a debate worth having here, I know that some are keen to use "Sweet" over "Normal" for example. I've contacted FuturePress to see what the source for the names they use in the guide are, and I will update here once I have a response from them. That'll probably be the time to bring the discussion forward, since hopefully we'll have something more concrete either way to use as a basis for any possible changes. -- Dorsal Axe (talk) 06:04, April 17, 2020 (EDT)
- I just found a copy of the English book and saw that Normal villagers are still called Normal. Perhaps it varies from region to region, but at the moment, it looks like Normal is still "official" to some extent (as official as one can consider a game guide). As much as I think Normal is not a good personality descriptor and I think Sweet would be much better, I think we should continue using Normal and Sisterly since those are what's sticking to the community. ~SuperHamster Talk 01:47, April 21, 2020 (EDT)
- I spoke too soon - another user pointed out to me that the guidebook uses both. The list of personalities on pg 74 and the list of posters on pg 425 use Sweet, but the list of villagers uses Normal. Classic guidebooks. ~SuperHamster Talk 04:08, April 21, 2020 (EDT)
- What name does it use in the game files? I don’t have the resources that I would need to check, so I figured I’d ask. Unless anybody has a direct line to someone on the Animal Crossing series design team, that should probably be the last word. FLAME1232(Talk) 09:16, April 21, 2020 (EDT)
- The names mostly used in the games files are the Japanese ones. There are some files that mention in English "Normal" (Normal and Lazy), "Active" (Peppy and Jock), and "Pride[ful]" (Snooty and Cranky) for both genders, and "Snobby" for Smug and "Big Sis" for Sisterly. I reached out on Twitter to someone who worked on the localisation, and apparently they just use the abbreviations of the Japanese names amongst themselves. So it seems there's no "true" official English names for any of them. -- Dorsal Axe (talk) 09:42, April 21, 2020 (EDT)
- The names mostly used in the games files are the Japanese ones. There are some files that mention in English "Normal" (Normal and Lazy), "Active" (Peppy and Jock), and "Pride[ful]" (Snooty and Cranky) for both genders, and "Snobby" for Smug and "Big Sis" for Sisterly. I reached out on Twitter to someone who worked on the localisation, and apparently they just use the abbreviations of the Japanese names amongst themselves. So it seems there's no "true" official English names for any of them. --
- What name does it use in the game files? I don’t have the resources that I would need to check, so I figured I’d ask. Unless anybody has a direct line to someone on the Animal Crossing series design team, that should probably be the last word. FLAME1232(Talk) 09:16, April 21, 2020 (EDT)
Subpage naming convention
We currently have two ways to organize subpages:
- GAME/SUBJECT (e.g. Animal Crossing: New Horizons/Characters)
- SUBJECT/GAME (e.g. Fish/New Horizons, Furniture/New Horizons)
I figure we should pick one and stick with it. I don't have a strong opinion either way, but I'm leaning towards SUBJECT/GAME, since it aligns more with how people search for and think about content (<subject> in <game>). ~SuperHamster Talk 21:33, April 18, 2020 (EDT)
- If I had to choose one, I would say I'm also in favor of Subject/Game, because it decentralizes the information/creates separate hubs of knowledge and encourages users to visit different parts of the wiki. That said, I'm not sure I understand how reversing the subpages on game pages would help us. For example, we would then have Gallery/New Horizons, which at the top of the page would link back to 'Gallery', a non-existent page, rather than linking back to the ACNH page like it does at Animal Crossing: New Horizons/Gallery. 'Characters' is also a redirect page going to 'Player'. I think that if we wanted to create new pages at Gallery and Characters, it's part of a larger discussion about subpages generally, and also about how we want to organize or prioritize different types of content (e.g. lists and images). Maybe I'm not understanding your point? (talk) 22:13, April 18, 2020 (EDT)
- Ah yeah, I'd want to leave galleries as-is (an exception to the rule). I could see us create a Characters page though, which would have sections on the Player, Villagers, and Special Characters, and then link to the respective articles. That being said, maybe we don't need to have a standard and can keep the different formats. But if I come across Fish/New Horizons, I would expect characters to be available at Characters/New Horizons as well. ~SuperHamster Talk 22:50, April 18, 2020 (EDT)
- While SUBJECT/GAME is more logical, I would have to agree with the issue of a "Characters" page. Right now we do have List of villagers which we could merge in Villagers and create subpages such as Villagers/New Leaf which we could merge data from Animal Crossing: New Leaf/Characters and List of villager birthdays in Animal Crossing: New Leaf.
Decomposer 03:17, April 19, 2020 (EDT)
- I feel like this issue can't be easily standardized. Personally I'd say the logical flow is more of "Nice game! → And it has many characters!" and not "Hm, let me look up some characters → Oh, they're in this game". I suppose the latter could work if the person is familiar with the series but if they're a new comer, they'd look for the game first...? When it comes to collectibles in games, you're already familiar with the game, so you'd look up the collectible and then choose the game you're looking for, imho. Like, Stars in Mario. You know Mario, you know he collects Stars, you'd then look into Power Stars in Mario Galaxy...
- There are also subpages for Update History (Animal Crossing: Pocket Camp/Update History, Animal Crossing: New Horizons/Update History) and I don't know if it's worth having Update History main page. I could imagine the contents, though. (Gifts received in the previous games, WA, and that PC and NH are very update driven games)
- That being said, we should definitely have Characters page, because finding the List of Villagers was a tough task for me when I was stealing data from here, haha. Characters is a simple term everyone searches for at some point. And I don't get why Character redirects to Player. It might be Playable Character but not the only character. I agree with Decomposer to do some kind of merge with the villager birthdays and character list, because the character lists are having birthdays (some of them, anyway), and I don't think we need to have it there so many times. You could easily sort them by birthday in the table. Paviinka (talk) 03:54, April 19, 2020 (EDT)
- Ah, great point re. Update History, that's something that I agree makes sense as a subpage of the game. So what I'm getting out of this is we can't have a hard and fast rule - but at least, reworking our villagers/characters pages so that they're in the SUBJECT/GAME format makes sense. ~SuperHamster Talk 05:51, April 19, 2020 (EDT)
- Personally I've always seen it more as PRIMARY SUBJECT/SUPPLEMENTAL INFO. It makes sense for galleries and changelogs to be subpages of the game articles, because they're supplemental to the main article. Whereas a hypothetical Characters article would be better off having subpages for each game, since they'd be an offshoot of the main Characters article.
- Regarding birthdays, I've actually wanted to include them in the list for a long time now (as well as internal IDs) but it's a matter of having space for it. Perhaps we could look into using tabs to create a split view between appearances and other info, but any such merge is probably best kept as a separate discussion. -- Dorsal Axe (talk) 06:46, April 19, 2020 (EDT)
- Ah, great point re. Update History, that's something that I agree makes sense as a subpage of the game. So what I'm getting out of this is we can't have a hard and fast rule - but at least, reworking our villagers/characters pages so that they're in the SUBJECT/GAME format makes sense. ~SuperHamster Talk 05:51, April 19, 2020 (EDT)
Villager lists on species pages
It's been bothering me that whenever I browse the site on my phone, I always have to vertically scroll the villager lists on species pages. If you use a CSS Grid, you can change the number of cells displayed per row dynamically, according to the screen width.
Here's what the Bear page would look like using that CSS functionality
As you can see, it doesn't actually require any changes to the existing templates (although I would recommend making the container div a template itself). However, if you were to change {{Villager}}, you could have the cell width defined by the grid rather than the individual cells, which would remove the need for such a complicated cell width like calc(150px + 0.6em + 2px). It would also allow more freedom in exactly how you want to display it (e.g. using auto-fit instead of auto-fill, if that would be preferred). --SnorlaxMonster 03:16, May 10, 2020 (EDT)
- This is great, thanks Snorlax. It's been implemented across all species pages. ~SuperHamster Talk 06:22, May 10, 2020 (EDT)
- Now that the width/height has been removed from {{Villager}}, I would recommend something more like this now, to avoid empty space:
<div style="display: grid; grid-template-columns: repeat(auto-fill, minmax(150px, 1fr)); grid-gap: 0.5em"></div>
- Here's the difference:
Personality Subtypes and Hobbies
https://www.reddit.com/r/AnimalCrossing/comments/gh6bu1/differences_in_villager_personality/
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1b2rrEIeNZKnQrvoyD4JtkKSNJs2VAHobCBGKSnO2A_o/mobilebasic
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HEyNSrgzih38rVA5GdI6el2mmaIxi6oFVVDQKqbn03E/
Recent datamining has found that Villagers in NH come in two "subtypes": A and B. Villagers who have different subtypes of the same personality have slightly different dialogue and voices.
Wondering if it might be worthwhile to add some of this information to the wiki so it's easier for people to find? - unsigned comment from 24.88.81.22 (talk • contribs)
Proposal for new Item: namespace
We're preparing to create individual pages for every NH item (furniture, clothing, etc.), and eventually do the same for prior games. This will let us provide in-depth details on each item, and to leverage our newly-installed Cargo extension.
Sunmarsh and I have been discussing the best way to organize these items, and we think it's worth creating a separate Item: namespace (Item:Furniture Name (Game)). Since this project will result in creating thousands of new pages, a separate namespace will let us easily distinguish these pages from other articles, especially for readers who are trying to search. For example, if you're searching for the villager named Rocket, you'll want to be able to easily pick her out from the Rocket and Rocket Lamp items in NH, and whatever rocket items exist in previous games. Same goes for Boots (both a villager and shoe), or entities like Lighthouse where we have an article on it as a landmark, but it appears in NL as a PWP and NH as an item. A separate namespace may also help limit naming collisions that could otherwise happen in the mainspace between items and non-items.
Other options if we were to keep items in the mainspace:
Furniture Name (Game)Furniture/Game/Furniture Name(my issue with this is that we are getting too-deep into subpages; is inconsistent with how other things are organized; and limits discoverability)
If you have any thoughts, please post below! ~SuperHamster Talk 05:11, May 19, 2020 (EDT)
Support I support creating a new item namespace. —Jake (talk) 05:51, May 19, 2020 (EDT)- Support. vmario97 (talk) 07:43, May 19, 2020 (EDT)
- Support, as this resolves collisions that may happen if they are to be kept in the Main namespace. Suggesting, however, to encode the game as a subpage instead of in parentheses (
Item:Tassled Loafers/New Horizonsinstead ofItem:Tassled Loafers (New Horizons)) because there are furniture items that have parentheses (File Cabinet (L)in Welcome amiibo orLCD T.V. (20 in.)in New Horizons).Decomposer 08:29, May 19, 2020 (EDT)
- Hmm, that's a good point...and by doing that we could also maybe have the parent page (i.e.
Item:Tassled Loafers) be a directory of sorts that provides an overview of the item and links to all its appearances. Where this gets messy, though, is when item names change between game :/ Not sure how to deal with that, if at all. ~SuperHamster Talk 13:41, May 19, 2020 (EDT) - P.S. For the record I think it's fine to have back-to-back parentheses (e.g.
LCD T.V. (20 in.) (New Horizons)), especially with how few items there are like this. I'm more interested in the subpages because of the directory idea I described. ~SuperHamster Talk 13:45, May 19, 2020 (EDT)- Interesting comment: an example of the name differing between games is the Calm Painting referred to as "Amazing Painting" in AC Gamecube. One solution could be to refer the most-recent name of the item in the parent subpage, and the subpage with a differing name have a different root (
Item:Calm Painting,Item:Calm Painting/New Leaf, andItem:Amazing Painting/Animal Crossing, but this brings problems on its own sinceItem:Amazing Paintingrefers to a different painting). Another solution is to forgo subpages altogether, since it is unlikely that a user would benefit from knowing about an item that appears in multiple games. The reason why I bring up subpages is to make it easier for queries to be made, although if using parentheses to encode the game are okay in querying, I don't think it would be a problem.Decomposer 00:20, May 20, 2020 (EDT)
- One solution to this is to use
{{DISPLAYTITLE:Item:Amazing Painting/Animal Crossing}}to make the name appear correct, when the page actually resides at Item:Calm Painting/Animal Crossing. It would still be difficult to properly search for the item though, since it doesn't actually reside at the location you'd expect it to. I think it would just be easier to create some sort of navigation template that allows for linking to item pages for other games using the 'Item Name (Game Name)' naming scheme, rather than relying on subpages to associate the pages together. (talk) 01:03, May 20, 2020 (EDT)
- Another solution is to have all appearances of an item on one page, with the page named after the item's most recent appearance (and the previous names listed on the page). This would prevent item pages from cluttering search results (if they were separated, there could be up to five pages for the same item). While creating subpages is pretty organized, they would still clutter search results. Additionally, for different items that share the same name (such as the calm painting), they could have their own page for that specific game that specifies that it's a different item in later games (kind of like Ladybug and Ladybug (Animal Crossing)), using {{Wrongpage}}. This would be such a small amount of items, so I don't think it would be too confusing having multiple pages for those specific items. The {{Wrongpage}} template or "Not to be confused with..." could also be used for items that have very similar names, such as "Butterfly-Fish Model" and "Butterfly Fish Model". ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 13:39, May 20, 2020 (EDT)
- One solution to this is to use
- Interesting comment: an example of the name differing between games is the Calm Painting referred to as "Amazing Painting" in AC Gamecube. One solution could be to refer the most-recent name of the item in the parent subpage, and the subpage with a differing name have a different root (
- Hmm, that's a good point...and by doing that we could also maybe have the parent page (i.e.
- Support Ruthless Cutie (talk) 10:40, May 19, 2020 (EDT)
- Support FLAME1232(Talk) 10:49, May 19, 2020 (EDT)
- I like the idea, but I do worry that creating the separate namespace will actually make it harder for readers who are trying to search. For example, if someone is searching for a Blue Bed, Item:Blue Bed is unlikely to appear as a suggestion, nor will it appear in search results by default, which only show mainspace articles. We're probably going to have to create thousands of redirects to get readers to the right place.
- Other than that, I support. Drago (talk) 11:00, May 19, 2020 (EDT)
- Great points. We can set which namespaces are searched by default through
$wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefaultso that they will appear in the search recommendations (worth noting that the userspace is part of that default list and I see userpages appear plenty in search results, to the point where we're considering removing them). We can also count the namespace as a content namespace so that items are treated as articles. We can do some experimentation on how search will treat the namespace before we fully commit to this. ~SuperHamster Talk 12:05, May 19, 2020 (EDT)
- Great points. We can set which namespaces are searched by default through
- Support ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 13:39, May 20, 2020 (EDT)
Result: Per consensus, Item and Item_talk were created as namespaces 708/709, available for immediate use. Namespace 708 added as content namespace for search and statistics purposes. --Jake (talk) 02:43, May 25, 2020 (EDT)
Remodeling
WOAH! The wiki was remodeled? SplatNerdBekahboo (Talk) 11:29, June 3, 2020 (EDT)
- Yes, around the 20th of May, Dorsal Axe implemented a new skin that works works very nicely with mobile. ✨ Paviinka
(Message me!) 12:14, June 3, 2020 (EDT)
Proposal for new wiki project (Purge)
Edit: Nookipedia:Project Clean-Up has been made!
Recently I have been working on a new large-scale project on my sandbox that revolves around clearing out the many unused and needed categories. The project is titled Project Purge. The end goal is to cut the To-Do list by two thirds at minimum. More information can be found on that page and its first few sections. If necessary, a larger description could be written. The project is very open form and straightforward. Fix the listed pages as described by their headers. More description can be provided if required.
The header box would look similar to this:
Project Purge Leader: Trig Jegman Project purge is dedicated cleaning up a lot of extra things lying around including unused files, redirects, usused or uncategorized categories/templates, and miscellaneous other formatting. In addition, it seeks to have the To-do list cleared of a majority to all of its entries. |
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- Support Good stuff, thanks for putting the massive lists together. I'm leaving a comment about changing the project's name though, and some other things. ~SuperHamster Talk 06:07, June 9, 2020 (EDT)
- Support Like SuperHamster said, good job on the lists. I think this project will be very helpful in allowing people to split things into organized chunks rather than going through hundreds or even thousands of random files. Plus, making it into its own project will expand awareness instead of being relegated to your user space. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 14:05, June 9, 2020 (EDT)
- Support Cleaning up the site's images has long been something I've wanted to see done, so it's nice to see a project that will tackle that. Like the others have said, I do think a different name would be in order prior to starting the project. --Jake (talk) 17:39, June 9, 2020 (EDT)
- Support An organised effort to tackle these kinds of tasks is a fantastic idea. Though I too will echo that a different name might be best, though I must admit I'm not sure exactly what. -- Dorsal Axe (talk) 14:31, June 14, 2020 (EDT)
Oppose
Comments
- I think project's name should be changed, because (a) purge has a pretty heavy negative connotation and (b) not everything on that page is going to be deleted, as is mentioned in the intro. Maybe Project Clean-Up, or some cute name that I'm not clever enough to come up with. When I've got some downtime I'll also add some notes to the page/talkpage. Off the top of my head we'll want some notes on distinguishing between unused redirects to keep or delete, as well as creating a new template to mark files that appear unused, but are actually used through something like Cargo, external tools, etc. ~SuperHamster Talk 06:07, June 9, 2020 (EDT)
- The thing is, isn't this just the same thing as the wiki-maintenance stuff/to-do list? It is all stuff that needs to be gone through because it is unused.. but these things are already sorted in wiki-maintenance. I agree on the name, upon reading it thought it was just a mass delete of everything. Project Spring-Cleaning or something would work (or Summer-Cleaning if we're being technical. Ruthless Cutie
(Say hello :]) 10:27, June 9, 2020 (EDT)
- Or All-Year-Round-Cleaning, if you really want to be technical. It is the same as the lists you mentioned, but Trig is sorting them out. So, their list tells you "These are the fish images. Go use them." So it's easier to make batch-edits. You'd have to dig through the maintenance lists for fish images as they're abc sorted. Paviinka(Message me!) 10:38, June 9, 2020 (EDT)
- Or All-Year-Round-Cleaning, if you really want to be technical. It is the same as the lists you mentioned, but Trig is sorting them out. So, their list tells you "These are the fish images. Go use them." So it's easier to make batch-edits. You'd have to dig through the maintenance lists for fish images as they're abc sorted. Paviinka
To cover the above bases, yeah the name could be improved but I am nowhere near enough good at naming things to make something better. Feel free to suggest things. As for redirects, I will specifically be only focusing on category and template redirects, and maybe file ones if theres a significant usage. I would make a not-unused template, but the template system here confuses me immensely and so I would not want to make a jarringly different design to one just because I know how to make it.
Yes, this basically is the to-do list, but rather than a big ol' list of images in a random order, this categorizes them into sections as stated to make actually applying the changes quicker over the span of more files. I have found that this tends to get more people interested in making the changes. If it makes sense to add additional content to track, then I will add to the list, even if it doesn't appear in the to-do box. Trig - 15:36, June 9, 2020 (EDT)
- Ohhhh okay! That will make things easier. I've often gone to go through those and it is very overwhelming that they aren't sorted. Cool! Ruthless Cutie(Say hello :]) 21:25, June 9, 2020 (EDT)
Error
I have a question.On my phone when I look at a article, it doesn't load correctly and leaves it blank. Does anyone know why this is happening and how to fix it? - unsigned comment from 73.123.12.116 (talk • contribs)
- Hi there - can you list the articles you're seeing this issue, or is it all articles? What phone + version of mobile OS are you using? ~SuperHamster Talk 18:28, June 8, 2020 (EDT)
It is every article that has a picture. But if it is a villager or special character It shows the first picture but everything else is a blank white box and doesn't fix when I refresh the page - unsigned comment from 73.123.12.116 (talk • contribs) And I'm using a lg. It seems to be just this website. I'm not sure what's going on.
- What browser do you use? Do you have anything on your phone that could filter web pages (e.g. ad blocking)? -- Dorsal Axe (talk) 14:25, June 14, 2020 (EDT)
I use Google and I'm not sure... This doesn't happen with other wikis like super Mario wiki - unsigned comment from 73.123.12.116 (talk • contribs)
- Happened to me too, using Chrome on Android. Enabling desktop view fixed it though. PinkYoshiFan (talk) 11:46, July 26, 2020 (EDT)
Links to the talk page on notice templates
Hey, I noticed that on notice templates, such as Template:Update, it links to the talk page like this: '''[[{{TALKPAGENAME:{{{2|{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}}}}|talk page]]'''. However, this is formatted as an internal link, so it creates a red link if the talk page doesn't exist. On WiKirby, this is dealt with by formatting it as an external link (see here). Should that be done with the notice templates? 216.30.159.93 08:49, July 26, 2020 (EDT)
- Sounds like good idea, thanks for suggesting it. I'd certainly be all for implementing it into the notice templates. -- Dorsal Axe (talk) 18:22, July 26, 2020 (EDT)
Resident services
I noticed that this page was going to be deleted but never happened. This page had 3 of those little reminders with character icons like isabelle, blanka, etc. But those were removed. Can someone explain why it was marked for deletion? (Also sorry if there are spelling errors typing on a phone is hard) Koopadude99 (talk) 23:37, July 29, 2020 (EDT)
- Looking at the page history, it never was marked with any notice tags, including the delete one... ---PinkYoshiFan 08:12, July 30, 2020 (EDT)
Oh yeah the tune one. The regular one was deemed to be fine but the tune had multiple tags, it was a stub and the talk page didn't exist.Koopadude99 (talk) 10:33, July 30, 2020 (EDT)
Proposing deletion, redirection or recategorisation for numerous deprecated templates
In the past few months we've overhauled a number of templates, and marked many older ones as deprecated. I think it's time to go through and decide what to do with these. Personally I think we're in a position where many of them can be safely deleted or redirected now (a few need the last remaining uses swapped out for replacements, but that should be trivial to resolve), however some of them might be more suited to being moved to Category:Personal templates if users still wish to make use of them for their own user pages. As there's so many of these templates, I figure it would be best to centralise discussion here.
The deprecated templates I'm putting forward here are as follows:
- Region tooltips (all superseded by Template:Flag)
- Furniture size (all superseded by Template:Size)
- Villager table cell formatting (all superseded by Template:Table cell)
- Navbox templates
- Template:NavGroup (superseded by Template:Navbox)
- Template:NavHeader (superseded by Template:Navbox)
- Template:VillagerNavList (superseded by Template:Navbox Character)
- Infoboxes
- Template:Infobox Building (superseded by Template:Infobox Location)
- Template:Infobox Developer (superseded by Template:Infobox Personnel)
- Template:Infobox nookstore (superseded by Template:Infobox Location)
- Template:Infobox Person (superseded by Template:Infobox Personnel)
- Template:Infobox PWP (superseded by Template:Infobox Location)
- Miscellaneous
- Template:Tab (this one is both obsolete and non-functional)
- Template:SpHdr (not sure what this was for but it's definitely not needed anymore)
- Template:Spoiler (completely unused as we don't have spoiler warnings)
There's also some deprecated templates which are being phased out, but are still too heavily used to consider their removal at the present time. I'm not proposing we delete or the following templates yet:
Let me know your thoughts below. -- Dorsal Axe (talk) 07:28, August 9, 2020 (EDT)
- If every template were to be deleted, then the Template:Deprecated would be pointless, the template could just be marked for deletion or deleted. It would be a notice of discontinuation, not deprecation, to use Template:Deprecated for these reasons. For what reason should these templates be deleted? It doesn't save any space to delete them since deleted revisions are still stored, and it doesn't clutter up maintained categories since the templates should be removed to discourage use. The reasons seem to stem purely from personal preference ("It seems disorganized to me for these pages to exist", etc.). However, there are some reasons why I am against it:
- It would make history accessible only to admins, and inaccessible to the public.
- Also, old code might still be useful to reference.
- Old page revisions of pages that used the template would still work or work better than if the templates were deleted.
- A point you also mentioned, it would break user pages that use these. If you wanted to edit someone's page to replace the broken template and the deprecated template and its replacement differ non-trivially we would be changing another person's user page.
- It would make history accessible only to admins, and inaccessible to the public.
- It also wouldn't be harmful to keep them around since in the case that anyone that lands on the page, they know that the template is deprecated because of the notice and won't try to use it. On the contrary, its existence is actually helpful. If the deprecation notice specifies a replacement template, it helps people find what they're looking for even more easily, especially if it is not straightforward to them that the replacement can be used like that (for an HTML example
<center>is deprecated, but for a new person looking to center text it is easier to find and more immediately obvious than<div align="center">, and they might not even know you could use div for that). Now there is an additional path someone can take to find what they want. At the very least the template would be more useful to someone visiting it than a "This page has been deleted." message. ShadeTempest (talk) 00:54, August 10, 2020 (EDT)- You make some good points. As I said, some of these might be more suited to be marked as Personal Templates, or even redirected to others. I'm going to alter the title to reflect that, since it's not strictly meant to be a discussion about deletion and I shouldn't have lead with that.
- We don't have to delete all or (any) of them, but I don't think there's any value left in, say, keeping the numerous table cell templates around for example since they've all been merged into one. I think there is a benefit to keeping others for personal use, e.g. the Navbox templates, so that's why I want to open the discussion to decide what to do with each one.
- Some of these templates use names that would be good to repurpose in future (e.g. Tab, e+), so moving them to a different page title is another consideration to make as well. -- Dorsal Axe (talk) 02:08, August 10, 2020 (EDT)
- I agree that the decision to keep or delete unused pages of any kind is fairly arbitrary, given that they are never truly deleted and can be recovered if necessary. But while true, I don't find your arguments particularly convincing with the exception of "Old page revisions of pages that used the template would still work or work better than if the templates were deleted."
- The templates in question here are not particularly novel or complex. Furthermore the fact that they have been superseded would imply that a more suitable coding solution has been found for a given application. While it's true that their page history would no longer be accessible to the public, records of all page deletions can be found at Special:Log/delete and Nookipedia staff would be happy to restore or provide access to a page's history upon request, as appropriate.
- I think the biggest argument in favor of deletion is that the Visual Editor will still suggest these templates when users begin to type them, even though they shouldn't be used.
- That said, I think it would be good to discuss whether it makes sense to archive templates that meet both of the following conditions:
- Are used on a large amount of pages (25+) AND
- Their removal would make a significant portion of a page's edit history illegible (talk) 20:50, August 20, 2020 (EDT)
- That said, I think it would be good to discuss whether it makes sense to archive templates that meet both of the following conditions:
Establishing goals and priorities for Nookipedia
Given the increased interest and activity on the wiki I thought it might be helpful to start a discussion about Nookipedia's current goals and priorities. The intention here is to develop a current list of projects and/or priorities that the wiki can actively work towards as a collective group, and that are in the best interest of its editors and the wiki as a whole. The outcomes of this discussion could inform things like: the prioritization or implementation of Nookipedia:Projects, a revamp of the 'Things to Do' list here on the Community Fountain, establishing new categories at Nookipedia:Maintenance, setting new tasks on the Nookipedia Task Board, or the creation of new channels on Discord for the discussion and coordination of wiki projects and initiatives.
I've identified the following areas of interest for Nookipedia, and would love to hear the community's thoughts on them, as well as hear your own ideas on what Nookipedia should focus on in the coming months:
- Nookipedia x data: Establishing the wiki as the primary source of queryable data on the Animal Crossing series not only distinguishes it from other AC wikis, but exposes the wiki to a larger audience through different creative applications.
- Proposed goals: Continuing to add data via Cargo as outlined in Project Database, updating and expanding our API to make this data accessible to developers, and encouraging the end-users of these applications to become editors through link-backs to the wiki.
- Nookipedia x search: Traffic and exposure is largely based on how well we rank in search. Focusing on topics that users are looking for will help us rank better and will ensure that our most popular topics are also our most well-developed topics.
- Proposed goals: Identify current topic trends and work on improving relevant pages, make sure that these pages also link to other relevant pages to encourage readers to visit other parts of the wiki, and consider utilizing the Guide namespace for more 'how-to' information outside of the scope of general article pages.
- Nookipedia x social: A social media presence and partnerships with key members of the AC community allow us expand our reach independent of our rank in search.
- Proposed goals: Partner with members of the AC community outside of the wikisphere (YouTubers, streamers, bloggers etc.), encourage link-backs to the wiki, and explore new opportunities for the the Community namespace including hosting documentation from our API partners.
These are just the things I've been thinking about and would love to hear your thoughts on this, as well as hear more specific ideas or proposals as I understand these are very broad topics at this stage. (talk) 13:58, August 22, 2020 (EDT)
- I agree that it is a good time for the Nookipedia community to come to a general consensus on what the wiki should aim to achieve. Regarding partnering with other members of the Animal Crossing community, we have done that before, I believe. We had a partnership with Chuggaaconroy, a YouTuber, when he did a Let's Play of New Leaf a few years ago, but it was limited. I will see if I can compile a list of prominent members of the Animal Crossing community sometime this week. BladeofEvilsBane (talk) 01:22, August 24, 2020 (EDT)
Project stub
This is a project I'm working on to expand stubs. Not sure if anyone noticed but I have been working on expanding stubs lately. But I'm not sure if this is a thing yet,(you may end it if it there is one.) But I'm creating a stub fixing project. This can be anything, from fish bugs, etc. This does not have a section, just in general. What do you guys think?Koopadude99 00:00, August 23, 2020 (EDT)
- Clearly we have too many stubs, but I don't think a project stub is needed. Stubs are neatly categorized so it isn't difficult to keep track of them all. Maybe stubs could be incorporated into Project Cleanup if Trig agrees, though. Drago (talk) 13:03, August 23, 2020 (EDT)
Ok. Thanks for your input, Drago!Koopadude99 16:35, August 23, 2020 (EDT)
- I can start integrating stubs into Clean-Up. I will progressively add them when I can. Trig - 08:24, August 31, 2020 (EDT)
A New Page for Villagers' Pings
I was thinking... since villagers pinging players has been mentioned many times on this wiki, do you think we should make a page about it to specify to readers what "pinging" actually is? 
I think that is a good idea, but don't we have a page for that already?Koopadude99 18:34, August 23, 2020 (EDT)
- I don't think we have such a page. But it's not a notable enough subject to have one, in my opinion. Drago (talk) 05:34, August 24, 2020 (EDT)
- Well, I'll wait a bit and see if anyone else replies. 09:27, August 24, 2020 (EDT)
- I think we can do a kind of page that lists all the reasons a Villager can try to get your attention. It can range from asking to move out, asking a few random questions like how spicy you like food, showing you the letter you sent, asking for a Public Works Project, and so on.
™ 19:31, August 30, 2020 (EDT)
- Yeah, that could work. How could we do that? 19:37, August 30, 2020 (EDT)
- Well, first we have to document what kind of interactions take place, and then we'll see how a hypothetical article turns out. ™ 19:40, August 30, 2020 (EDT)
- Well, first we have to document what kind of interactions take place, and then we'll see how a hypothetical article turns out.
- Yeah, that could work. How could we do that?
- I think we can do a kind of page that lists all the reasons a Villager can try to get your attention. It can range from asking to move out, asking a few random questions like how spicy you like food, showing you the letter you sent, asking for a Public Works Project, and so on.
We could also make separate pages for each personality, OR we group them together. I think personality makes sense because they act different depending on what personality that are. Also we can do by game. Like this: Animal Crossing Wild World Pings That page can lead to the personalities in wild world. Example: "Animal Crossing Wild World Pings" This is a list of all the villager pings in wild world. Animal Crossing Wild World Normal Villager Pings Animal Crossing Wild World Snooty Villager Pings Then it would list the rest. So that's my idea. If it helps I can even create the page for real so we can work on it. Koopadude99 00:44, August 31, 2020 (EDT)
- Well, first, is there a good way to see all ping scenarios? ™ 02:18, August 31, 2020 (EDT)
- I think I know most of them. I could probably write down a list of them all at some point. 10:01, August 31, 2020 (EDT)
- I think I know most of them. I could probably write down a list of them all at some point.
Forgot to note: pings vary on friendship levels. I can work on new leaf because it's the one I played the most. Here is the page that I'm working on: Animal Crossing New Leaf Villager pings So it would start explaining what pings are, and a list of all of them. I'll organize them so it will be easier to add on to them while I work on the new leaf ones. Koopadude99 17:09, August 31, 2020 (EDT)
- Just want to point out that we have various dialog pages that need expanding, and ping conversations would fit well into there. I think that would be better than the ping pages you're proposing above. Drago (talk) 12:19, September 1, 2020 (EDT)
- Ah, alright then. I'll see what I can do with that. 17:12, September 1, 2020 (EDT)
- Ah, alright then. I'll see what I can do with that.
Proposal for an expanded image use policy
As our site continues to grow with new users, I feel an image policy should be put in place in order for consistency between images and consensus on how we should handle images moving forward. Our upload policy outlines a few practices, but mainly focuses on the upload process. Below is a drafted image policy, somewhat based on Super Mario Wiki's image use policy. It currently covers proposed policies for image formats, screenshots, and artwork. Note that this is a proposed policy and depending on user consensus, not everything here may make it in the finalized policy; the ultimate goal here to come up with a standardized policy, with the one below being just one possible direction to go in. Please leave feedback or suggestions below. After learning the general opinions on whether or not we should have an image policy in the first place, I will hold a vote on whether or not we should adopt this policy.
Proposed image use policy (separate page due to its length) ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 18:54, August 30, 2020 (EDT)
- I think an image use policy can work. Did we have any problems with users uploading low-quality images? ™ 19:24, August 30, 2020 (EDT)
- No specific problems, but there's always cases of new users not knowing specifically how we want our images, and it's good to have a policy to point them to so they can learn from it. While I doubt most casual editors would go out of their way to read this policy (or any policy for that matter), it's good to have so the staff and other experienced users can follow a standard and enforce it, too. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 01:16, August 31, 2020 (EDT)
- I like the idea of it, but would prefer to both expand it to all media and would really suggest expanding the 'why' use of images and native image types per console. For example, while the switch natively takes JPG images, most emulation or pre-Wii console captures are PNG. I too would emphasize NOT converting between the file types, especially for the sake of the other. See the following DIV for some suggested changes.
Image formats
The following three image formats are used on Nookipedia:
- PNG – This lossless file type supports transparency, and does not lose quality when generated. This file should be used for artwork, screenshots, sprites, and models.
- JPG – This lossy and compressed format is only preferred for photographic material and some types of artwork. It is also to be used for 3DS and Switch screenshots.
- GIF – A lossy format, only preferred for animated images and should not be used for static images as it has a low color-depth.
- SVG – This vector-based type of artwork should only be used for simple line art, such as official Nintendo artwork.
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audio:
- MP3 is a lossy...
- FLAC is a lossless...
- OGG/OGA is a lossy...
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video, if supported:
- MP4 is a lossy...
- OGG/OGV is a lossy...
- Furthermore, feel free to canibalize anything from my FAQ page as they may be useful for the writing as well. Suggested sections include:
- Why do we have different types of files?
- Is there a difference between JPG and JPEG?
- Why isn't this gif moving?
- I thought PNGs were supposed to be transparent
- Why do I keep seeing "Optimized" on files? What's PNG Monstrous?
- What's Gamma Brightening?
- Why should we use OGA and OGV instead of OGG?
- Why can't I play this OGA/OGV file?
- I thought we weren't allowed to use MP3
- Hope this helps. I think this is a good start but would just like a few more details added along the way. Thank you very much! Trig - 08:48, August 31, 2020 (EDT)
Page for Blathers' Treasure Trek
Since Blathers' Treasure Trek is a pretty big part of Pocket Camp, why isn't there a page for it yet? It's even redlinked on the blathers page itself... 15:45, August 31, 2020 (EDT)
- The simple answer is because no one has created it yet (we've got a pretty big gap of Pocket Camp coverage). A red link in an article usually means an article should exist, but just hasn't been made yet. If you're interested in giving it a start, you're welcome to! ~SuperHamster Talk 16:04, August 31, 2020 (EDT)
- Okay. I don't play Pocket Camp that much but I'll see what I can find. 18:46, August 31, 2020 (EDT)
- Page Created! It took me way longer than I want to admit, but you can find it at Blathers' Treasure Trek. Enjoy! 20:54, August 31, 2020 (EDT)
- Okay. I don't play Pocket Camp that much but I'll see what I can find.
Featured Fanart question
Why are there bye weeks and bye years? 17:10, September 1, 2020 (EDT)
- For questions about specific topics, please use the page's talk page (e.g. Nookipedia_talk:Featured_Fanart). But to answer your question: it's because featured fanart takes time and effort, which we don't always have the capacity for. ~SuperHamster Talk 17:45, September 1, 2020 (EDT)
- Thanks, I just wasn't sure where to post this. I'm a pretty big noob at this... 19:02, September 1, 2020 (EDT)
- Thanks, I just wasn't sure where to post this. I'm a pretty big noob at this...
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