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Post new topics below! Drago (talk) 11:03, January 1, 2019 (EST)

Proposal to remove the Guide namespace

This proposal is going to be controversial, but I feel that the removal of the Guide namespace may be in the best interests of the wiki. Guides are our weakest area, there doesn't seem to be much desire to improve them, and most of their content can be moved to mainspace pretty easily. Let's remember that Nookipedia is first and foremost an encyclopedia, not a strategy guide, with sites such as IGN, GameFAQs, Polygon and many others offering much better guide content than us.

If this proposal passes, this is what I plan to do with our existing guides:

• Guide:Animal Crossing, Guide:Animal Crossing: Wild World and Guide:Animal Crossing: City Folk don't have anything not already covered elsewhere, and so can be deleted, with the exception of Animal Crossing's controls, which could be moved to the main article.
• Guide:Bug Catching isn't great, despite my improvements, and can probably be deleted.
• Guide:Campsite Minigames could be a subpage of Campsite (facility).
• Guide:Coffee Preferences could be a subpage of The Roost Café.
• Some of Guide:Easter Eggs, Glitches, and Secrets could be transferred to Glitch, although there's some duplication.
• The face style guides aren't very long, so could be transferred to Player.
• Guide:Golden Axe trading event's content could be transferred to Axe.
• There isn't much useful content on Guide:Perfect Town Rating, but anything that is useful could be transferred to Environment rating.
• Guide:Saving can be deleted in my opinion.
• I'm unsure about Guide:Unlocks/Upgrades, but I believe that all its content will be covered elsewhere, so maybe deletion?
• Guide:Villager Information could be a subpage of April Fools' Day, or simply a standalone article.

Please let me know what you think. Thanks! Drago (talk) 14:27, January 25, 2021 (EST)

 Support per the above. I've actually been thinking about this for a while too, so I'm glad you brought it up. Like you pointed out above, a lot of content in the Guide namespace would work just fine in the mainspace and the more guide-like content that wouldn't work in the mainspace isn't that great to begin with. Plus, we have StrategyWiki for game guides. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 15:11, January 25, 2021 (EST)

 Support it seems like it's mostly a legacy namespace from before the merge. These pages don't get much love, and don't really fit into the focus of the wiki these days. I think even if we don't vote to remove the pages, they would be better served as subpages rather than having their own teeny, tiny namespace. Given that we seem to have some sort of affiliation with StrategyWiki (I assume?), perhaps some of this content could be ported over there? -- Dorsal Axe (talk) 10:56, January 26, 2021 (EST)

StrategyWiki's guides already look pretty well-established, other than for New Horizons, which is incomplete. But we have very little New Horizons guide content here either, so porting looks off the table. Drago (talk) 11:53, January 29, 2021 (EST)

 Neutral - I keep going back and forth on this. I agree that given the lack of enthusiasm for the namespace in addition to its sparse content, it doesn't make sense to have a dedicated namespace for guides. That said, prior to NH's release the face style guides were one of the top 10 most visited pages on the wiki. I think that this is just an example of the AC lifecycle over the long term: as the current game continues to age, people start to replay the older titles, and so they look for things like the face guides when creating their new towns. Whatever the decision, I think we should still keep redirect pages for searches like "Face guide" or similar so that the content can be found at its new location. (talk) 13:55, January 30, 2021 (EST)

 Support per above. vmario97 (talk) 13:09, March 23, 2021 (EDT)

Pocket Camp event pages

As I'm working on developing pages for Pocket Camp items, I'm thinking about our coverage of Pocket Camp events, of which there are over 250. My current plan is to make a new article (with a new PC Event infobox) for each event. Each event page would document the items that can be obtained during the event (and when applicable, the critters or fish that can be caught). Just wanted to note this here in case anyone has any thoughts. ~SuperHamster Talk 22:35, February 13, 2021 (EST)

Sounds good to me! It also seems like a page header (to navigate the events sequentially) and navbox (to see a list of all events in one place) might be helpful for those pages to help people find the event(s) they are looking for. (talk) 13:20, February 14, 2021 (EST)

Suggesting to go gender-neutral on Gracie, Blanca, and Saharah

Unsuccessful proposal. Drago (talk) 13:20, March 23, 2021 (EDT)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

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It is often said that the Western world loves to change whatever the foreign world does for them. In this case, Gracie, Blanca, and Saharah all had their gender changed from male to female. While I do believe we should adhere to Western names and terminologies for characters, I don't think we should be calling them "she/her", nor would "he/his" would be applicable.

I'm aware this doesn't relate to the West as much as it does in Japan/Korea, but I think we should change the pronouns for Gracie, Blanca, and Saharah to "they/them". It wouldn't change much in what they're meant to do or their dialogue, but it would balance out their gender differences, considering how they're handled here in the Animal Crossing series. Plus, Player is already using "they/them", tho a counterpoint can be said for being playable, whereas Gracie, Blanca, and Saharah aren't.

For instance, take this description from Saharah about their gender differences:

"In Japanese and Korean entries in the Animal Crossing series, Saharah is male, while in all other versions, she is female. However, her appearance, including her voice, is identical in all versions."

If we change their pronouns to become more neutral, the changes are shown here:

"In Japanese and Korean entries in the Animal Crossing series, Saharah is male, while in all other versions, they are female. However, their appearance, including their voice, is identical in all versions."

What do you think? Should we use "they/them" for these special NPCs? -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 22:12, March 5, 2021 (EST)

Slight  Oppose, as using "they/them" in that particular section might force that section to disagree with "she/her" throughout the article. Keeping the text as-is is good enough. Decomposer 09:33, March 8, 2021 (EST)

 Comment @Decomposer, this is not on that specific section, but on changing every "she/her" in those articles (plus where these characters are within other articles) with "they/them". -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 09:38, March 8, 2021 (EST)

I  Oppose because we should go by what the Western localizations do, and if they say Blanca/Gracie/Saharah are female, then we should use "she/her", regardless of their genders in other regions. As for the players, they have no set gender since it is chosen by the player, so that's why we use "they/them" for them. ~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 10:43, March 8, 2021 (EST)

 Oppose actually per comments. vmario97 (talk) 13:09, March 23, 2021 (EDT)

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The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Proposed deletion policy

Finally proposing the drafted deletion policy at Nookipedia:Deletion policy - please give it a review, and leave any comments on the talk page. Thanks! ~SuperHamster Talk 03:18, March 6, 2021 (EST)

Movement of unofficial subjects to the Community namespace

While we don't have a defined coverage policy, I believe the mainspace should solely be for covering official subjects. Thus, I am proposing that coverage of unofficial subjects (e.g. fansites) be moved to the Community namespace. From my understanding, the idea behind the Community namespace is to document things like this; plus, this is content from the community. Note that the content of the pages affected would not change; they would still be encyclopedic articles. I feel that having the content in a namespace dedicated to content like this will also allow us to expand our coverage of it further, adding more fansites and other community subjects, such as speedrunning, fan-made software, mods, and more in the future without affecting the main article namespace.

The following articles would be affected by this change:

• Animal Crossing Ahead
• Animal Crossing Community
• Animal Crossing: Let's Go To The Wiki
• Animal Crossing New Leaf Wiki
• Animal Crossing Wiki
• Cheating device
• Hacked villager
• Hacking
• Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance
• Nookazon
• Nookipedia
• Seeds (hacking)
• The Bell Tree
• Villager modifier

~ AlexBot2004 (Talk) 17:21, March 16, 2021 (EDT)

 Support Especially for the websites considering they're community-run by fans. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 09:46, March 17, 2021 (EDT)

 Support I see no real reason to oppose this. It definitely makes the distinction between fan works and official works more noticeable as well as allows us to expand on it further. In particular perhaps we should look into popular foreign websites. That’s a discussion for another time though. Senor Mexicano (talk) 03:07, March 18, 2021 (EDT)

 Support moving website articles. While we could come up with some sort of notability policy to host them in mainspace, I agree that it's not really our scope, and I'd rather just cover these things in a separate namespace and open that namespace up for more comprehensive coverage of community sites, tools, speedrunning, etc.

However, I am leaning  Oppose for cheating device and Seeds (hacking). These articles give a broad, encyclopedic history, one of a popular piece of merchandise that isn't really community-y, and the other of an in-game item that was abused. I'd be fine with moving the other hack-related articles (Hacking, Hacked villager, and Villager modifier). ~SuperHamster Talk 04:13, March 20, 2021 (EDT)

Agreed on the point about cheating device and seeds. Senor Mexicano (talk) 04:53, March 21, 2021 (EDT)

I'm leaning towards  Oppose. I think they should remain in the article main space as they are, well, articles. We're not an official site, so I don't believe our scope should be restricted to only 100% Nintendo official approved content, and I don't like the precedent that would set. Our coverage should always be based on relevance to the series and notability. If the pages in question weren't encyclopedic in nature, then I'd say it's fair game. -- Dorsal Axe (talk) 11:58, March 20, 2021 (EDT)

Well it's not as if moving them to the community namespace would strip these articles of their encyclopedic value nor lessen their status as official articles. Namespaces serve to help categorize different types of articles. A good example of a wiki using multiple namespaces is SmashWiki, which has separate namespaces exclusively for tournaments, players, organizations. I don't think there's much harm to using the community namespace exclusively for community-made websites, projects, or tools. Senor Mexicano (talk) 04:53, March 21, 2021 (EDT)

 Support per above, but I agree with  Oppose by SuperHamster. vmario97 (talk) 13:09, March 23, 2021 (EDT)

Proposing deletion for unused/deprecated templates

Not much of a result ever came out of this this discussion, but I'd like to propose that we now delete the following deprecated templates:

Villager table cell formatting (all superseded by Template:Table cell) Template:Amiibo Template:Ya Template:Na Template:Ca Template:FCa Template:Ft Template:Ha Template:Ia Template:e+

Region tooltips (all superseded by Template:Flag) Template:AUS Template:CAN Template:EU Template:JP Template:KO Template:NA Template:PAL Template:SK Template:UK Template:Worldwide

Almost all of these particular templates are unused. A few of the region tooltips are used on a couple of user pages that could be substituted to preserve them there, and the few remaining uses of Template:Na can easily (and should!) be converted to the modern template. Any thoughts? -- Dorsal Axe (talk) 12:28, March 26, 2021 (EDT)