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== Colors ==

I have a recent question concerning color: since players can display clothing in their house, and since each clothing is also assigned a color (Big Bro's Tee is red and white for instance), shouldn't our big color lists also cover clothing? If that's the case, then we should rename them from "List of (color) furniture  to "List of (color) ''items''" instead. This might be beyond the scope of Project Furniture, but again, you can display clothing in your house, right? Huh, I might want to reboot [[Nookipedia:Project Fashion|Project Fashion]] sometime in the future if that's the case <sub>and maybe cleaning up that gooey writing like how a plumber cleans up gunk inside the pipes...</sub> ;P {{User:Mario/Sig}} 23:46, April 6, 2015 (EDT)
:Hmmmmm....perhaps this is taking things a little too far? We're meant to be an encyclopedia, not a strategy guide listing every single item in the games. Personally, I'm not convinced it'll be worth the enormous amount of work it will require to create the pages. {{User:Red Snapper/sig}} 07:58, April 7, 2015 (EDT)
::Encyclopedias need to be as complete as possible, so I believe there's little reason to leave out information on certain items. The policy on coverage on Nookipedia, I'm not 100% sure, but, again, we're supposed to provide information on stuff where we can. That's how I see it anyway, but we need information on each item. I didn't say create the pages, but I suggested that we expand the "List of (color) furniture" articles to the more generic "List of (color) items" instead. {{User:Mario/Sig}} 16:15, April 7, 2015 (EDT)

:I say that clothing definitely deserves to be included. Who's to say it is less deserving than any other item in the game? Note that clothing and accessories only started getting color designations in ACCF. I understand it will require a lot more time and effort seeing as we are so short-staffed, but if someone is willing to add accurate item data to the wiki I am certainly not going to stop them. An incomplete list is better than none at all IMO. In short, I'm in favor of renaming the pages to 'List of (color) items'. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 20:54, April 7, 2015 (EDT)
::That's great! So, if this pulls through, is it okay if we use the item table template to do the clothes? And finally, I wonder what Red Snapper thinks of this before I start lifting my finger on the Project Fashion page... or if someone else wants to work on that. {{User:Mario/Sig}} 18:16, April 10, 2015 (EDT)
::I'm sorry no one has responded to you, Mario! D: Using existing table templates should be fine. Keep in mind that our goal is to eventually convert everything to {{t|ItemList}}. Also, I would recommend creating a separate table for clothing (within each game's section) as opposed to placing the clothing into the list of furniture. However I will leave the final decision up to you. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 16:26, May 27, 2015 (EDT)
:::Better late than never! :) I kind of want to create a unique item list. Remember that discussion with Sky about the whole item list table colors? The current one is supposed to match the furniture navigational template, so if we were to create a table for clothing, I suggest it match the clothing/fashion navigational template (pink). {{User:Mario/Sig}} 00:06, May 30, 2015 (EDT)
::::Oh, and by the way, the clothing shall be kept separate from the furniture anyway. Clothing have their own separate pieces of information (like boy/girl and even particular fashion patterns, apparently). {{User:Mario/Sig}} 21:52, May 30, 2015 (EDT)

Finally, one more question: should {{t|Furniture Colors}} be merged with {{t|furniture}} into its own section? I think that would make navigation easier. {{User:Mario/Sig}} 19:55, April 12, 2015 (EDT)
:I think that a merger is appropriate and will reduce navbox clutter at the bottom of furniture pages. Let me know if you want help with that! Also, I noticed that even though we had agreed on the naming convention "List of (color) items" for color pages the name hasn't been changed yet. We would have to create new pages and then redirect the old pages, right? Let me know if you want help with that/still wanted to do that. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 16:26, May 27, 2015 (EDT)
::Yes, I'd like that to happen. I'm just caught up completing the other furniture lists and doing a myriad of other things. There is so much stuff I need to do in Nookipedia regarding furniture (and that's only a part of Nookipedia), so it would be highly appreciated if someone (like you) could do the navigational templates and all. Thanks! {{User:Mario/Sig}} 00:03, May 30, 2015 (EDT)

== Themes and styles ==

Should we also create lists of themes and styles? Something like "List of harmonious furniture" and "List of cute furniture"; furniture can be substituted for a more-generic "items", but I think that may make a huge page. This is because I just realized that some furniture like Air Conditioner, Bronze Fish Trophy, and Museum Model have no color designations, so we have to document them somehow and make them easier to find. {{User:Mario/Sig}} 17:03, May 15, 2015 (EDT)
:This is a great question! We will actually ''need'' these kinds of lists if we implement {{t|Villager Info}} as exemplified [[User:Sky/Sandbox/Snow|here]]. Note the Ideal Gifts tables and the links at the bottom of them to '''More (Color) Items''' and '''More (Genre) Items'''. Right now the links are broken because the pages don't exist yet (and because the template needs to be changed so it can correctly link to the appropriate section of the list of (color) items page). [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 16:26, May 27, 2015 (EDT)
::Ah, so if the stuff in the sandbox is implemented, we ''need'' to create such pages. I think those pages would be an immense help for players going for a certain HHA theme too, but I didn't realize villagers have such preferences as well. I would be more than happy to do it, but let me complete all those colors and all. One large step at a time. '^_^ {{User:Mario/Sig}} 00:09, May 30, 2015 (EDT)

== Custom Furniture ==

I found a blog where it has screencaps of most, if not all custom color combos for furniture in New Leaf. I think it would be great to crop these out and add it to series' articles galleries, or at least add them to their respective image sections. [http://customnewleaf.tumblr.com/ This is the site.] {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 13:35, June 2, 2015 (EDT)
:Great find! I'll add it to the resources list! More work to do, that means. <sub>mama mia...</sub> {{User:Mario/Sig}} 14:45, June 2, 2015 (EDT)

== Custom furniture organization standards? ==

[[User:Baby Luigi|Baby Luigi]] and I are having a disagreement on how the galleries for the custom furniture pages should be arranged. I prefer to organize it by furniture pieces (using [[Digit lamps]] as an example: One Lamp, Two Lamp, Three Lamp, and so on) while my sister wants it organized by its customization options (using Digit lamps as an example: Red lamps, Orange lamps, Yellow lamps, and so on). We'd love to have some input, especially this early in establishing refurbished colors. {{User:Mario/Sig}} 17:13, June 4, 2015 (EDT)
:Also, you should list your idea of organizing custom furniture with more than one customization option. I haven't exactly figured that out yet. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 17:15, June 4, 2015 (EDT)
::For two customization options, we can easily create a table showing all the combinations. Which furniture has three customization options, though? Finally, what are we going to do with customization options that allow designs and clothing fabric? We won't document ''all'' of them unless you like extremely tedious work, but perhaps we can include a mention on the page itself? {{User:Mario/Sig}} 17:19, June 4, 2015 (EDT)
:::I'd say since custom fabric should be omitted since the combinations are infinite. I agree with you, the options for custom fabric should at least warrant a mention in the series itself. By the way, I don't think any furniture has three combos but I could be wrong. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 17:35, June 4, 2015 (EDT)

:I think a sortable table would definitely help out here. That way users could organize the images as they like. As for refurbs that take clothing patterns, I think it should just be noted and we should create a page that contains a gallery of the clothing texture patterns available in ACNL and link to that. If a refurb can take a custom design we should note that as well and link to the most relevant article (perhaps [[design]]?). I'll add a furniture customization table template to my mile long to-do list. ;P [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 13:52, July 15, 2015 (EDT)
::All right, hope we'll make good use of it to settle this. {{User:Mario/Sig}} 22:36, July 15, 2015 (EDT)

== Standard page layout ==
While editing the series and theme pages I realized they were all organized a bit differently and wanted to get input on how we should format the layout of these pages. Right now there are two main ways the pages are organized. The first method has each game getting its own section (e.g. [[Blue Series]]). The second method has each game getting its own sub-section within a 'Furniture items' main section (e.g. [[Ranch Series]]). I also wanted to propose a third method, which would reduce the length of the pages, but would also depreciate the tables of older titles even further. For example, the [[fish]] table contains links in the upper right-hand corner of the table to pages that host the fish tables for each of the older Animal Crossing games. We could adopt a similar strategy for furniture series, theme, set, and category pages. What do you all think? Do you want to keep all the tables on the same page or should we split them up and have them hosted at [Collection Name]/[Game Name])? [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 13:52, July 15, 2015 (EDT)

:No, I am against this on all fronts. When I go to a wiki, especially one where tables and lists are prevalent, I find it easier and much more accessible to have everything I want to look at on one page, not multiple ones. It is a hassle to have to click on multiple links just to see stuff that shouldn't even be on separate pages. I mean, as long as the pages haven't reached their content capacity, we are good. (Remember, not everyone who views Nookipedia has ''New Leaf'')  --[[User:XXSuperXXNintendoXx|XXSuperXXNintendoXx]] ([[User talk:XXSuperXXNintendoXx|talk]]) 14:54, July 15, 2015 (EDT)

::Well if we keep the lists on one page, I'd still like to hear your opinion on how the sections are set up ([[Blue Series]] vs [[Ranch Series]]). Additionally, some games will share the exact same table. Should we just create the duplicate tables anyway, or should we merge the tables to something like "Blue Series in ''Doubutsu no Mori'', ''Doubutsu no Mori+'', ''Animal Crossing'', and ''Doubutsu no Mori e+''". Takes up less space but makes an awkward table or section heading. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 18:58, July 15, 2015 

:::In my personal opinion, that depends on whether the four games you mentioned share the same items found in that series or not. If they do, then it would be much easier and worthwhile to just merge them. However, if they do not, and one or more have different furniture items, then we will have to create separate tables. For example, if two of the games possess the same number of items in a particular set but the other two have additional items, two or more tables would be required, depending on whether there is a difference in number between the two with more items. --[[User:XXSuperXXNintendoXx|XXSuperXXNintendoXx]] ([[User talk:XXSuperXXNintendoXx|talk]]) 19:32, July 15, 2015 (EDT)
::::Agreeing with SNES, I'd rather we don't split the tables into separate pages, since that creates navigational clutter and induces just additional headaches for users searching for certain series. Unlike Bulbapedia, our furniture pages aren't too big, so they can handle more or less repeating information. If there is a way on creating tables that can alter themselves as a whole, just from clicking on the respective games on the corner or something, that would actually be a neat feature. But, yeah, same series from different games belong in the same page. It's the most consistent and creates the least clutter. {{User:Mario/Sig}} 22:41, July 15, 2015 (EDT)

::::In reference to my previous example, yes, all four games share the same number of Blue Series items, same exact properties, same models and textures. My only concern was that the heading for the table/section would be very long, so even though we'd save space because we didn't make a table for each game, it would look awkward due to the naming. I suppose there's not really a way around that. But again, no one has answered my other question- how do you want the sections split up/named on the page? Do we want a section for each game, which will appear in the table of contents (e.g. [[Blue Series]]) or do we want one section in the TOC with each game having a subsection (e.g. [[Ranch Series]])? Also Mario, that's what I've wanted to do this whole time but have no idea how to do that/if it's possible with the current extensions the wiki has. [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 01:05, July 16, 2015 (EDT)
:::::The Ranch series seems to be much better organized, in my opinion. I mean, the Table of Contents looks better and much easier to navigate. It helps visually separate the actual furniture items from, say, the refurbished colors, the merchandise, and general gallery. Not to mention, the layout in Blue series needs work anyway, with the images moved into a another gallery. {{User:Mario/Sig}} 15:46, July 16, 2015 (EDT)

On the second thought, I think splitting furniture tables to separate pages by game (like Exotic Series (Animal Crossing), Exotic Series (Wild World), Exotic Series (New Leaf)) might not be such a bad idea. We can then split the navigational templates further by game. I'm not sure how this will affect, say, Google traffic, though, but it might be better for organization. {{User:Mario/Sig}} 14:52, November 10, 2015 (EST)

== A few questions regarding the new tablecontent templates ==

I'm not sure how to use all aspects of {{t|TableHeader}}. The collection parameter can use these values: category, other, series, set, theme, although I'm not sure what "other" or "category" is needed for. I'm trying to convert those "list of x color" articles. From some experimentation, I ''think'' "other" is actually the recommended template since it opens a slot to organize a certain series or set of items. So, what does "category" do? {{User:Mario/Sig}} 16:29, August 14, 2015 (EDT)

:Right now the "category" parameter will give you the default item table associated with whatever other parameter inputs you choose. The wiki is currently lacking coverage on item categories, and so we don't have any (explicit) existing lists or tables for them. They are a collection of functionally similar items first introduced in {{CF|nolink}}. Items of a specific category may be requested by villagers and they also provide an HRA bonus if the player places enough items of the same category in a room. The five categories are: Plants, Musical Instruments, Models, Paintings (known as Art in ACNL), and Dolls. 

:The "other" parameter is what you want to use for a list that is not entirely made up of one series, theme, set or category. That would include a master list such as the one you're creating. The most important thing it does (that I can remember off the top of my head) is create a column called "Collection" where you can note (and link to) the collection of items the piece of furniture belongs to (e.g. Blue Series, Pirate Theme, Flower Set, Doll Category etc.), if any. I do want to note though that the template is not currently set up to handle clothing or accessories (although I have listed the future parameter names for these in the documentation section). It will still generate tables if/when you input these parameters, but it will probably generate irrelevant column headings (e.g. collection, size etc.). I hope that answered your questions and if you need any help let me know! [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 16:53, August 14, 2015 (EDT)
::Verrrry interesting. I wasn't even aware that there are categories of those things. Well, that's ''one'' more thing to keep in mind when making those collection pages. I've seemed to overlook that information in the FAQ since it's all grouped in another spot in the FAQ. Thanks for the answer! {{User:Mario/Sig}} 17:03, August 14, 2015 (EDT)

==Membership Request==
I left Mario a message in reply to his comment on my discussion page, but have noticed that there has been no reply. So I am sending my application here as I will probably have a better chance of having a reply other than my talk page. In terms of contributing, I do own all NTSC versions of the {{SER}} and {{DnM}} on emulator. I can also contribute in template editing if needed. <nowiki>~</nowiki>[[User:PoizonMushro0m|<span style="color:#32CD32">'''Poizon'''</span>]][[User talk:PoizonMushro0m|<span style="color:#228B22">'''Mushro0m'''</span>]][[File:PoizonMush Sig.png|15px]] 01:33, August 26, 2015 (EDT)

:I'm sure Mario is busy saving some princess or collecting stars or whatever it is he does these days... (I've heard he's been practicing his tennis game!) So I've added you as a member. ;) [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 12:28, August 26, 2015 (EDT)
::That's great! Sorry, {{User|PoizonMushro0m}}, I didn't notice. I wouldn't mind at all having you in the team. As I said, even for games you don't own, there are a lot of resources to add information, which includes refurbished furniture and overhauling some tables and all. (And sunmarsh is right, tennis practice is running amok in the Mushroom Kingdom, and the big games are in November! Also, I could've said, "Nah, this person's a Poison Mushroom, I can't talk to ''those'', I'll get powered down!" but nah I'm nice.) {{User:Mario/Sig}} 13:48, August 26, 2015 (EDT)
:::I have had the time as of late to help out on the wiki again, so I would like to come back into the project. :) <nowiki>~</nowiki>[[User:PoizonMushro0m|<span style="color:#32CD32">'''Poizon'''</span>]][[User talk:PoizonMushro0m|<span style="color:#228B22">'''Mushro0m'''</span>]][[File:PoizonMush Sig.png|link=Special:Contributions/PoizonMushro0m|15px]] 19:57, September 29, 2016 (EDT)

== Happy Home Designer ==

I'd like to see table(s) listing every furniture item that appears in ''Happy Home Designer'', but that may be beyond our capabilities. What does everyone think? [[User:Red Snapper|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:red">Red</span>]] [[User talk:Red Snapper|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:green">(season's greetings!)</span>]] [[File:Jingle CF.png|20px]] 06:40, December 22, 2015 (EST)
:I'm all for more coverage of HHD! I can add compatibility for the game to our table templates, I just need to know what the table header labels should be (e.g. Item, Image, etc.). [[File:Sunmarshsignature.png|link=User:Sunmarsh]] '''<small><span style="font-variant:small-caps">([[User_talk:Sunmarsh|<span style="color:#7B7B7B">talk</span>]])</span></small>''' 11:59, May 17, 2016 (EDT)